@AggrendWoW@ScHniPPaH@wowclassicdevs My guild were quite happy we could flex in a few extra players and no one got left out. We're not asking for flex raiding or more loot buy surely letting us add a few more only benefits the casual players greatly?
@Zirene@Sknilegap@jorgito_de_38@SageStein555 Maybe you think rogues are fine but they're not. Not for the average player. It's far too hard to achieve far less than other tanks. I don't care about some future tier piece, I want to do the dungeon content... and I just can't with these tools, just my 2 cents.
@Zirene@Sknilegap@jorgito_de_38@SageStein555 I want to be able to tank dungeons for my friends. I've been disappointed by each phase and I'm pretty close to giving up on rogue tank out of sheer despair. All tanks should be able to tank all content. There is no class fantasy in being less capable than other tanking classes.
@AggrendWoW I love the idea of 2 lockouts a week, I like the idea of MC only being 1/week. I am DREADING having to farm/collect WB's and Consumes twice a week. I didn't want it P3 raid logging with time to spare. With even more of them at 60 I resent the tax on my time to be able to raid.
@DATGUYCOOP@AggrendWoW Having to gather level 60 WBs and Consumes twice a week sounds like hell but without it I do half the damage of others and if I want to tank I'll never hold threat against a buffed player. These buffs are not a choice or optional they are a tax on our time and feel bad.
@TraderSumo1@AggrendWoW@EbonhardtTV@Zirene I will third this motion. The few insights i've gleaned from his posts today and feedback given through other channels has restored my faith in the future of SoD... until the next patch notes at least ;)
@Exadra@Zirene@MD9132575282835 @Wowstalker25486 @MenatwoHC@Archetype01@AggrendWoW@KawneyEast When I first saw UA I was excited that I might be able to tank multiple mobs, maybe even a dungeon. Then I tried it and, much like Shuriken Toss, was left disappointed and relegated to single target raid boss tanking. I am praying the P4 runes let me tank trash/dungeons.
@Zirene@MD9132575282835 @Wowstalker25486 @MenatwoHC @sneedyoboi @Archetype01@AggrendWoW@KawneyEast There was an expectation that Tank Rogue would have more identity than just a DPS rogue who makes more threat and their weapons would reflect that. But mutilate is too good in most cases so we're 'forced' into daggers. Does anyone even look at Main Gauche, what's it even for? :P
@Zirene @Wowstalker25486 @MenatwoHC @sneedyoboi @Archetype01@AggrendWoW@KawneyEast This is the sort of feedback that needs to be more available than a thread here. A lot of rogues, like me, have been frustrated at feeling like the forgotten no choices dead rune class. But this has helped me understand, but it's not going to get the visibility it needs here.
@AggrendWoW The warrior 'Dragonslayer lite' suggests your team know how mandatory and unfun WBs are. Even better would be to just bake WB's into the raids, put an NPC at the door WC style to rebuff us or you could remove them entirely like happened once live moved on from vanilla.
@AggrendWoW This feels tone deaf to rogues. Half of our runes are still abandoned wastes of space. The 'tanking runes' are being forced into mandatory overlaps and despite the SSB 'buff' we're still essentially forced to mutilate because it's just better. RIP TF dreams for rogue tanks.
@AggrendWoW@ReadyPapaOne "lets make more tanks to fill your 5 man spot if you are short" I had to do a double take on that. Rogues can't tank dungeons. There are DPS specs better for 5 man tanking. If it isn't one big target rogues can't do it and not even the new runes look like they'll change that.
@AggrendWoW@hammerdanceLIVE Or now is the chance for some brave changes and to remove world buffs. The silent majority hate them and I'm sure it would make balancing easier too!
@AggrendWoW If the Sword Rogue 'fix' is damage then it'll sim against Muti and rogues will pick the highest. It needs to feel different. Like have Muti be about efficient resource usage and maybe have combat be more proc/reactive and with real aoe so we can actually tank more than 1 thing.
@AggrendWoW SoD might just be the most wow fun I've had in a decade... but not on my rogue. Mutilate is SO good you can't not run it and since P2 all the runes are just minor DPS buffs. Nothing cool or interesting. Even the rogue tank is just the DPS rogue with a threat buff :(