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@JotunIF @HongyuYang14 And of course, the modern tankies are pro-war, at least when it's a war that they like (which is just the "just war" idea, not anti-war at all). Russian invasion of Ukraine, definitely good. China invading Taiwan, probably good. Etc.

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@JotunIF @HongyuYang14 And by the end, those weren't even civil wars or irredentist wars in the near abroad, either, but straight-up overseas interventions for influence. E.g. they literally had 10,000 or so troops in the Angolan Civil War, supporting the more pro-Soviet side.

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@TheMachine7253 Probably the strangest thing is blaming the "rule-based order." Recall that the biggest organism in the RBO is the United Nations, and that the United Nations has passed many resolutions against Israel, accused it of genocide, etc. Israel is opposing the dictates of the RBO.

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@TheMachine7253 Blaming democracy...well, it's certainly true that the Israeli government was democratically elected. But many people criticize the idea that it excludes Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank from political participation. So is the problem too much democracy, or too little?

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@DocOctagonical @SebastienBubeck ...owned by a billionaire with even worse conflicts of interest, all surrounding a model whose precise nature only the person with CoI knows, be driving the science discussion around machine learning. Do you remember just six years ago, when it was not like this? Because I do.

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@DocOctagonical @SebastienBubeck This is a major problem with an industry that is being driven by industry, and by money, rather than by publicly funded research. In no sane world should non-peer-reviewed short posts written by people with obvious conflicts of interest on a social media platform...

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@Yuribr84 @ErnestRyu I'm trying to help you understand just how silly your comment is. Instead of addressing the actual assessment made by someone who actually understands the subject, probably much better than you, you pretend that they said something they didn't about something that is not true.

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@Yuribr84 @ErnestRyu Yes, analogy would be the typical resort of someone when they cannot adequately criticize what someone is actually saying: imagine some hypothetical thing that is worse, then criticize that instead.

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@intelifinity @Lanternfsh @ErnestRyu You should like the comment I responded to, then, because it correctly pointed out that Deep Blue was actually very limited.

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@Lanternfsh @intelifinity @ErnestRyu Those claims turned out to be exaggerated, and to date, still are. One suspects the same thing might be true of current claims: the progress is real, but the claims of having quantified everything and being close to doing everything better, faster and cheaper are hyperbolic.

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@Lanternfsh @intelifinity @ErnestRyu More than that, actually. When Deep Blue had its victory, people were actually making many of the same claims that they are making now, saying that having won at chess made it close to AGI, that within a few years, there would be computers that were better at all games.

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@Yuribr84 @ErnestRyu ...that people might be more likely to find unreasonable. But the problem is that by doing, you have to implicitly acknowledge that what they actually wrote was not as unreasonable. It's just silly.

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@Yuribr84 @ErnestRyu ...that is about something else entirely? You do see how silly that is, right? Since the actual statement that they made was something that you knew people might not find unreasonable, you decided to equate it to a hypothetical statement about something that didn't happen...

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@Lanternfsh @intelifinity @ErnestRyu No, it's probably not impossible to make them, but that's not what Musk is trying to sell you NOW.

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@Lanternfsh @intelifinity @ErnestRyu ...to sell you right now, is the same as the sophisticated thing that someone might have in 1, 10, 100, or 1,000 years. Like trying to sell SpaceX by talking about self-sustaining habitats on Mars....