@twrashtter1@poetaetrr The latvian, spanish, and austrian ASCOD II are all new orders, so are the czech CV90, and the polish Borsuk, and the romanian KF41, all with 30mm.
Also the norwegians are precuring new CV90 with 35mm, wich is again, not 40mm or 50mm.
@twrashtter1@poetaetrr The Hitfist Mk2 is a different turret, might as well say the Leopard 2A8 turret is bases on a 80s design, what does it actually add to the conversation? Its capabilities are excellent and the 30mm is probably the best.
The remainder are not using legacy, i only cited new orders.
@twrashtter1@poetaetrr That is not a 25mm, that is a 30mm.
As for "almost everyone today" moving to 40mm, not really, for example Spain, Austria, Latvia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czechia are also precuring new tracked IFV with 30mm cannons.
Also the Hitfact Mk3 is based on a 2000s design, not 80s.
@tom_worthington@waffentraeger Its usually a 3 round burst
Also you are comparing a cannon with hundreds of shells against a rocket that has never been fielded on a ship, and actually does not even have a mounting with more than 4 rockets
Yea the 4 rockets may cost 20% less than a 76 shells but the ship sank
@tom_worthington@waffentraeger The rate of fire is not slow, its 120 per minute.
Small missiles are not cheaper, RAM missiles, for example, cost almost 150.000$ each.
Proxy fuze 76mm rounds do not go above 10.000$.
@RoverwantsNo6@RealAirPower1 Ok? But italian electronics famous for being among the best in this field, the americans have literally chosen an italian trainer jet this year because of its best in the world avionics, and italian ship radars are the best in europe.
Do you have some sources at least?
@AtworkK30510@RealAirPower1 Italian military manufacturing is famous for its reliability, the most commun helicopter in the world is italian, too is the most commun naval cannon and most commun jet trainers.
@easyand2@Jeff21461 Quindi direi che i 30 A2CS "confermati" come ordinati mesi fa (quindi 51 insieme ai 21 OUR) allora non erano affatto stati ordinati, e questo ordine é quello veramente formalizzato?
@AirPowerArchive@RealAirPower1 Britain and Italy's Tempest, but the merger is basically just for publicity, the actual plane is completely different from either.
@AnasHK98581@clashreport Neither Italy nor the UK worked on the Tigre helicopter, and the Eurofighter Typhoon is one of the biggest 4.5 gen fighter success ever, with almost 1000 built by 2034.
@McmeekinIan@Defence_blog What? Land based single gun anti aircraft systems have been a thing since the 1910s.
The Marlin 40 on Astra truck is not a copy of any foreign system.
@ms8955a@hw97karbine The most modern italian long range cannon of the war fielded in some numbers by the italian army is the Ansaldo 210/22 1935.
There some more modern 105mm cannons, but i would not say those are in the category of the 149mm and 210mm