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@elhigadodmarita Cuán triste es ver tanta discordia y desprecio entre hermanos católicos. En lugar de invertir ese tiempo en disputas inútiles, mejor sería dedicarlo a orar para que el Cuerpo Místico de Cristo no sufra más heridas.
My friend, you've gone off-topic. Equating statistics with orthodox rigor is a straw man fallacy. I'm not orthodox, nor do I question the Pope, much less the validity of the rite. But even Saint Paul VI himself acknowledged that the liturgical reform involved a massive sacrifice. Erasing more than 75% of the prayers is no small matter; it changes the theology. Since you mention the princes of the Church, Cardinal Roche recently declared that the restrictions on the TLM were implemented because the theology of the Church has changed. Your point was initially historical, and I have argued with you from a historical perspective. There are many academic studies you can consult on this matter. I agree with you that the new rite, celebrated with reverence, is beautiful and legitimate. Of course it is. But analyzing liturgical history with objective data allows us to understand how the way the reform was implemented altered the expression of faith. Facts, my good sir.
These are not minor details; you can consult the study by Hazell and others. Obviously, the Last Judgment is still in the Creed, I agree with you. But the new missal, for example, removed references to divine wrath, combat, and others from the Proper of the Mass because they are "difficult" for modern man. Changing the weekly texts alters the faith. I try to base my arguments on facts, not on interpretations. I reject the extremist interpretations of many traditionalists that the NO is a laboratory invention, that it is invalid, and other such nonsense, but we cannot deny that there was indeed a significant change in the theology of the Mass.
You already know very well that, according to the Lex Orandi, the way one prays determines one's faith. Modifying 75% of the prayers, as indicated by analyses such as Matthew Hazell's, entailed removing the prayers at the foot of the altar and suppressing references to the Last Judgment or spiritual combat. If you change the text, you alter the theology. I won't say that the sacrificial dimension of the Mass was suppressed, because it is still preserved, but it was certainly diluted.
@DomineDucMe@poperespecter1 I share your frustration with the use of such profane music, but the Novus Ordo does not prescribe that. The problem is not the rite itself, but the disobedience and the loss of a sense of the sacred.
@poperespecter1 Yes, the Novus Ordo is not a modern invention, as it maintains the liturgical structure of the early Church. However, it is not merely a shortened version of the TLM. It profoundly reformed the Offertory, expanded the readings, and reconfigured the theology of the rite.
Es doloroso constatar cómo el Novus Ordo Missae terminó siendo víctima de una ideología postconciliar que lo despojó de su propia riqueza. En muchos casos se cambió el misterio divino por el espectáculo. No es el rito, es la desobediencia.
Thank you for your comment. What you point out is part of the disastrous implementation of the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. The Council never called for the elimination of traditional confessionals, nor for the psychologization of the sacrament as has been done, diluting its nature and efficacy. Confession is not psychotherapy or spiritual direction, and priests are not psychologists, and not all are suited to be spiritual directors. Why don't they simply administer the sacrament in a holy manner, as the Church has always prescribed?
@PadreTomasB Coincido con usted. Es rescatable su iniciativa misionera, pero pesa más lo errónea e incompleta que es su doctrina. En todo caso, bastaba con dar un breve anuncio y entregar volantes a las personas. Así cada quien valora si desea más información.
@fjbronchalo Su comentario es bien intencionado, pero terriblemente ingenuo. Los españoles no suelen conocer bien lo que son las sectas evangélicas, pero nosotros en Latinoamérica sí. Mucho podría contarle sobre los estragos que han causado en las familias y las comunidades católicas.
@theoscholastica I don't know your personal circumstances, so I can't judge why you came to that conviction, which, at first glance, seems absurd to me. For now, I can tell you that no one is obligated to venerate one saint or another. But they always intercede for us.
Te comprendo. Es el sentir de muchos de nosotros. Sin embargo, el esperpento que describes no es el Novus Ordo que se plasmó en el papel, sino el resultado de una desastrosa implementación. El CVII nunca pidió guitarras desafinadas, la eliminación del latín, o que el cura se convirtiera en un animador. Duele admitirlo pero lo que vivimos hoy es la protestantización de facto de la liturgia y la estética católicas. Se cambió el misterio por la horizontalidad y la solemnidad por el sentimentalismo. La reforma litúrgica fue secuestrada por una generación que en su mayor parte perdió el sentido de lo sagrado, y en muchos casos convirtió la Santa Misa en una reunión social. Creo que lo que muchos sufrimos cada domingo no es la liturgia de la Iglesia, sino las consecuencias de una debacle que nos ha dejado sedientos de belleza y trascendencia.
@UniCatolicos_es El gran desafío es ser católicos por verdadera convicción; porque se ha vivido un encuentro con el Señor, y no por mera costumbre o inmersión cultural.
@CatholicPebble The TLM is not a talisman, but fertile ground. The post-conciliar crisis has been spiritual; by removing the liturgical dam, faith was flooded with secularism. Whether VO or NO, restoring the sacred is the antidote to the anthropocentrism that corrodes the Church.
@fraynelson@SacerdosMariae Si la mayoría de los sacerdotes celebraran con un verdadero sentido de lo sagrado, no habría que mirar al VO. Una Misa NO con la solemnidad del rito se vería como en la imagen. Recuperen lo que piden SC y OGMR: latín, gregoriano, Ad Orientem y el silencio.