@EricLDaugh If this turns out that the two Democrats win, then it's most likely in November there's going to be far less total votes. That's because at that point the Democrats don't need to cheat to win.
@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@shampoobah@Thiohna I agree with the death penalty as rapes. That's a must and that's starting to happen now. Thank goodness. But like I said, making men get asectomies causes more rapes. I'm not of the opinion that I want to cause more sexual crime on women.
I've never claimed that getting rid of abortion would decrease rape. But statistics do show if you force men to get sterilized or vasectomies that they rape more. So I don't think that's the answer here.
We'll never live in a perfect world. I think that can be agreed no matter what.
Ok. So you want a quarter of the population of women to get raped more in order to not get pregnant? I showed you statistics of what happens whenever men are forced to get vasectomies. I think the difference between you and me right now is clearly that I think rape is wrong and we need to do everything we can to get rid of it but you would be willing to sacrifice that in order to continue having sex without getting pregnant. Am I getting that right?
@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@shampoobah@Thiohna No, because rape still happens today, even though we have DNA profiling. If you coerce or force vasectomies, rape's just gonna get worse. Why would you want rape to get worse? You seemed very against sexual crimes earlier.
@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@shampoobah@Thiohna It's X, not Twitter. And I know my view isn't law β it's just my strong opinion. I come on here to discuss it openly. That said, I deliberately say 'baby' or 'unborn child' instead of 'fetus' because that's how I see it. Language matters in this debate
Honestly, I've thought about outcomes like this before. One likely result? Rape rates could rise. If men know they literally can't get anyone pregnant, that removes a major practical risk/consequence for impulsive or coercive acts. We saw something similar in India's 1970s forced sterilization drive: districts with higher coercion saw violent crimes up ~7%, with rapes spiking ~22% on average (and persisting). So, while there would be less pregnancies, there would be more crime. Still doesn't seem like a solution though. But I do think not getting pregnant in the first place is a good option.
@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@shampoobah@Thiohna As I've already said, rape is wrong. pedophilia is wrong. Tricking people into getting pregnant is wrong. All of those should be and are punishable. But just because one wrong thing happens doesn't mean it gives anybody the right to choose another wrong and kill a smaller human.
@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@shampoobah@Thiohna That can go both ways. Honestly, they can just keep their pants on until they're ready for kids. That would be the mature and adult thing to do.
Killing a smaller human is cruel. The logic I follow, which many very good people follow also, is that that smaller human doesn't have a voice, but it deserves a chance to live. You calling my position cruel is purely your perspective. There have been many situations where a woman had an unwanted pregnancy but instead of terminating that baby, they decided to keep and nurture their child and give birth. That is giving life. Do not twist the opportunity to give birth into cruelty.
You can call it what you want but it's a human. It's not a dog or a cat, it's a human. Therefore it deserves human rights.
You assume I haven't experienced sexual violence myself (it goes both ways). I've also had opportunities to meet several women who have experienced it, several of whom that got pregnant because of it but made the brave decision to keep and nuture their child.
To make one thing clear, rape is wrong. 100% wrong. But killing a smaller human does not fix another wrong.
@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@shampoobah@Thiohna I understand that killing is wrong. I also understand that life starts at conception. Therefore, killing a baby that was been conceived is wrong. It's basic logic that anyone can understand, don't have to be a woman.
@shampoobah@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@Thiohna I specifically said "'evict' children lethally" implying killing them. You took it out of my context. I believe all humans deserve human rights, including the unborn. That's the only avenue I'm on.
@shampoobah@Rosalyndle@IsabellaEm1@Thiohna Really? When did we start letting parents kill their newborns when they don't want them? Provide your source on that oneβinfanticide is homicide in every state.
No β my point is neither can survive on its own. The difference youβre drawing (organs vs external care) doesn't override the fact that it's a human being with a right to life. Parents have duties to their own children they helped create. We don't let parents 'evict' newborns lethally when they become burdensome either.
Good job noting the physiological shift at birth β lungs, circulation, etc., do change dramatically. But the newborn still can't survive on its own. It requires constant care for feeding, warmth, cleaning, protection. Dependency doesn't magically disappear at birth; it just shifts from using one person's body to needing caregivers in general. If extreme dependence justified ending a life, we'd have problems with infants, disabled people, and the elderly too. Your argument thus far has been based on "survivability"