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一个communist

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 这次确实有维吾尔族网友和蒙古族网友出来和你们交流，但是人数不多。会使用VPN来外网的只有一部分人，所以数量并不多。
我见到的一位维吾尔网友表达了自己对中国的认同和政策的支持，于是另一边崩溃了表示汉化政策成功了——即使那位维吾尔网友会说母语。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 这次争论有中国人出来展示维吾尔人的积极日常生活，但他们普遍被辱骂和质疑。
现在是很多泛突厥主义者坚定的相信一切美好画面都是宣传，他们被洗脑或强迫了。这些人对西方媒体的宣传片深信不疑，难以沟通。
或者说他们其实也不想要真相，而是认为维吾尔人只要不认同突厥那就是种族灭绝完成了。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 土耳其在禁止了东伊运以后，恐怖分子确实变少了。然而，这种横跨多个国家的民族主义天然就容易激进化。而这对于想要破坏中国、中亚、土耳其之间经济联系的人来说，只要筛选出有激进倾向的人然后资助他们，就能轻松起效。所以必须各国一起管控极端分子，但是你们的网民却在复读那些集中营的抹黑。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 如果你们真的是这样想的，那自然是最好的。但是前提是你们的网民得停止复读西方的抹黑宣传吧。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 所以一个接受过正常教育、拥有基本政治思维的维吾尔人必然会认同中国政府，恐惧你们这些沾边的穷亲戚。
你们嘴上反对西方战略独立，做的却全都是西方愿意发生的事，也是会危害维吾尔人安全，让他们过不上好日子的事。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 对于那些清醒的维吾尔人来说，他们很清楚新疆是亚洲的中心也是中国的边疆，中国同时有动力去推动新疆的繁荣和建设，并且进行监管确保安全。
而泛突厥主义者和西方则希望扰乱新疆，恶化新疆经济，降低维吾尔人对政府的认同从而脱离中国，斩断一带一路，所以才会有无数的恐怖袭击和新疆棉等造谣抹黑。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@yalim_m @DerinPusulaTR @WildeWongza9i 大多数中国人是喜欢跟人讨论复杂的地缘政治的，只要对方展现出足够的素质和水平。直球辱骂和复读西方的抹黑宣传除了恶化讨论环境以外没什么帮助。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@Aryaa_Mehr 比起让对方破防，我更想要保持自身的操守。这次的事里面我们认识了一些希腊和波斯网友，也认识了一些愿意好好说话的土耳其网友，如果我们像那些没素质的人一样说话，这些可能就不会发生。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@Shy_Sakuee 至于中国官方，官方的基调是不干预外国内政，所以原则上只会和各国的官方合法政府合作，这是为了避免交恶。这是因为吸收了苏联的教训导致的。
支持对方国家内的反对势力，也许能够成功，但这会引起所有其它国家的警惕，影响各种外交合作。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@Shy_Sakuee 我们确实喜欢古波斯文明，也希望伊朗进行世俗化改革，但是又害怕世俗化以后的政权被美国媒体的抹黑宣传渗透，民众一边倒的针对中国。这种事发生过很多次。这是一种非常复杂的感情。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@Z1fSnFiCoOKgdCe @shouri6324 @I36Bd 汉奸永远比异族可恨，历史上几乎每次异族入侵都是汉人不顾集体利益无底线内斗而邀请进来的：五胡乱华是八王之乱引进来的。满清能赢是因为地主阶级和士大夫阶级讨厌李自成。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@shouri6324 @I36Bd 我当然知道是事实，但是同样的事实在不同场合被提及效果是不同的，没人会在参加别人生日宴的时候提起你迟早会死。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@Too_1ife @asjn_k66467 正经皇汉谁讨厌毛主席？你说的怕不是汉奸套皮。

[明易 @MingYi25]

@tryntimesagain @mpeiteoloi 别担心，没人会这么做。网络上的言语攻击和实施政治构陷是两码事，后者在中国政治讨论圈的默契看法里是糟糕的。

[无心简影 @wuxinjianying]

The biggest difference between China and Türkiye is that China has a tradition of learning from history. We do not conceal the periods of decline and humiliation in our nation's past.

The Turks, however, seem to do the exact opposite. When confronted with historical defeat, your preferred response is to bury your heads in religious fanaticism and pseudo-historical mythology, comforting yourselves by mentally jerking off to fantasies of your empire's long-lost glory.

First, where the hell do you get the nerve to claim that Europe never colonized Türkiye?

I suggest you go back and read the 1920 Treaty of Sèvres.

After the Ottoman Empire's defeat in World War I, the Allied powers, including Britain and France, occupied your capital, Istanbul, and forced the Ottoman government to sign a humiliating treaty that would have carved Anatolia into pieces.

Had Mustafa Kemal Atatürk not fought and won the Turkish War of Independence, overturning those arrangements, whether a country called "Türkiye" would even exist on today's map would be an open question.

Let's go back a little further.

In 1875, the Ottoman Empire defaulted on its debts. In 1881, European creditors established the Ottoman Public Debt Administration, taking direct control of roughly a quarter of the empire's government revenues.

Imagine that. The mighty Ottoman sultans eventually found themselves unable to control their own country's purse strings, with European creditors holding the keys.

Your finances were controlled by foreign powers, European states enjoyed extraterritorial privileges, and even your capital ended up under foreign military occupation.

Is this the glorious history of "never being controlled by Europe" that you're so proud of?

So, apparently, as long as foreign powers didn't officially rename your country a "colony," being slapped around, financially dominated, and militarily occupied somehow doesn't count as colonial subjugation?

Second, you actually use China's history of foreign invasion to give yourself a sense of superiority?

China has thousands of years of civilization behind it. We experienced the power of the Qin and Han dynasties, the prosperity of the Sui and Tang dynasties, as well as periods of decline and foreign invasion.

Dynasties rose and fell, but Chinese civilization has endured to this day.

When Chinese people meet their ancestors in the afterlife, they can proudly say:

"We learned from our humiliation and rose again. We have returned to the ranks of the world's leading powers. Hong Kong and Macao have returned to China, and we are one of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council."

And what about the Ottoman Empire?

From its rise in the late 13th century to the abolition of the sultanate in 1922, it lasted just over six centuries.

Your empire once stretched across Europe, Asia, and Africa, only to end up as a piece of meat on the chopping block of the great powers, losing roughly 80% of its former territory.

When you Turks meet your Ottoman ancestors in the afterlife, what exactly are you planning to report?

That you've spent decades desperately trying to get into the European Union, only to be repeatedly rejected and humiliated by the Europeans?

Or perhaps you'll proudly announce that, in your desperate search for historical significance, you've invented 16 completely unrelated "ancestral daddies", claiming them as your own just to inflate your imaginary family glory?

Third, let's examine your pitiful understanding of history.

You lump together Macao, Hong Kong, and the foreign concessions in Shanghai, then conclude that "China was colonized by Europe for hundreds of years."

Yet you apparently cannot even distinguish between a colony, a foreign concession, and a semi-colonial state.

By your own logic, since the Ottoman Empire had its finances controlled by European powers, lost territory, and saw its capital occupied by foreign armies, wouldn't that mean the Europeans had already colonized you so thoroughly that they practically stripped you down to your underwear?

Chinese people have never denied the humiliations of our modern history, because we understand that only by confronting past failures can we avoid repeating them.

What's truly laughable is watching a half-educated fool who barely understands their own country's triumphs and tragedies desperately seek psychological comfort by mocking the historical suffering of others on the internet.

China's century of humiliation has become a warning that drives us forward.

Meanwhile, you still seem trapped in imperial fantasies from six centuries ago, unwilling to wake up.

You go around desperately adopting imaginary ancestors, even fantasizing that the Great Wall of China, thousands of miles away, was somehow built specifically because of you.

You can stop fantasizing about restoring the glory of the Ottoman Empire.

Judging by your current situation and the level of historical understanding displayed by people like you, another partition of Türkiye by multiple foreign powers may be only a matter of time.

[明易 @MingYi25]

@justlurkingwhat @jiangyegong @leonn2399 因为新疆真被恐怖袭击过几千次

[明易 @MingYi25]

@CollinW78584389 @magne_toes 印尼人也会这样吗？