Thanks for the reply. I do understand the distrust in opposition to a project like this. The citizens have poured over every bit of information we can find about this entire project and those like it. I certainly agree there are times when people might be too concerned. This isn't one of them. Unfortunately we are in the middle of this fight and with that comes the knowledge of where funding comes from. There are private lawyers being paid for by citizens. Funds are being pooled etc to help fight. There is no foreign money being poured into the opposition that we're aware of. The signs were made and bought by local people. Costs have been shared with that. We've used social media to raise awareness and some have spent their private funds to pay for lawyers to sue our own government because they are not doing to proper things to protect the people and resources. We have a lot of industry around and it's usually welcomed. We are getting a new ammo plant nearby, etc. No one is protesting those. The only foreign money coming in is from the smelter. They have consultants, lawyers, etc. We have been lied to by every level of our leadership and we are fed up. This has the potential to cause significant damage. There are many people planning to leave if this gets through. A fish farm doesn't move that easily. My kids deserve to stay where their grandma, great grandpa, and great great grandma lived and are buried. This isn't right and they did everything but look at what the environmental effects would be. I don't know whether that was neglected on purpose or was oversight but regardless they messed up big time on location.
@roseryder2015@okredprecincts Correct, we are capable of thinking on our own and you're right, we don't want another environmental disaster on our hands. Oklahoma has seen enough of that! We love our homes, farms, and ranches and will fight to protect them.
Not even close. The people opposed to this are as varied as it gets. People who live in town all the way to the ranches. The one thing we have in common is shared water and air and we want those protected. It shouldn't be pushed on Woodward either, it should be moved to an area, likely coastal where it makes more sense and safety can be proven. Our main concern is Fluoride exposure to the livestock and people. Then there are plenty of other problems with it.
We are thinking for ourselves but what I find interesting is accounts out of OKC claiming to know and understand the safety as well as how we get our information here in Inola. Or should I say the lack of information. We've had ranchers do their own testing on a plant here in the US and it was awful. No foreign interest fed us that information. They claim newer technology but it doesn't matter. What matters is how much fluoride and other contaminates escape the smelter. Even with their reduced numbers it looks abysmal. What false information have we been fed? Let's hear the list and we'll go from there. Funny thing is the "globalists" do want a plant here. We don't, so you've got it backwards.
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@Okie_Rancher@MazzeiMike@coffeyforok Nick Coffey is great, can't agree with balance on Mazzei. There will only be 2 options some of us will consider. The independent being the other option.
Respectfully, that isn't true. We have major concerns about environmental impacts among others. China has absolutely nothing to do with our stance. We don't need propaganda to look and see what is or isn't right for our community. I don't know where that lie originated but China has nothing to do with our community and surrounding areas opposition.
Inola, Oklahoma residents will decide the fate of an aluminum smelter in a vote next spring. Until then, city officials have paused heavy industrial development — including the aluminum smelting facility, which would be the largest in the country.
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The Inola community came together for its annual Hay Day Festival, but the weekend celebration also became a platform for residents opposed to the proposed aluminum smelter.
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It's only a plague if you don't like frogs right!?
In all our years this might be the most bullfrogs that we've ever seen. About a minute and a half into the video they really get thick 😳
Yes! We are asking for some studies. Our state representative Tom Gann was denied an interim study by the house speaker Hilbert. They have not done an environmental impact statement and are telling investors they plan to break ground this year. Obviously we have a vested interest in our farm staying in business but the impacts for the other farms, the people in town and the schools are just as important. Look up long term effects of exposure to hydrogen fluoride and it doesn't make you feel too good about it being so close to a school. Many of those kids live in town too. It feels very rushed and we feel like at the very least they need to do the in depth studies. If it's as clean and safe as they say, they should not have a problem proving that to us.
I understand and respect that you're trying to educate yourself. It is the same type of smelter but this one will be much larger. Overall emissions will be the focus for all of us around here. We will be looking at the modeling info as it comes out but so far it looks bad. This was a very poor choice for placement, right in the middle of cattle country. Our fish farm has no way to dilute our water. It's runoff stored in a reservoir. Freshwater fisheries are sensitive to fluoride, not to mention we run cattle and bale hay. This is very serious for many in the path including citizens. This will be 3 miles from town and the school.
Yes I've read the whole report and many others. The smelter this one is being modeled off of has no vegetation or grazing animals around it to compare to. That's from the company itself. Support it if you want, that's your right, but don't lie about what the risks are or downplay them. There are many farms and ranches at risk if this goes in, ours being one of them.
@IkeNotabot@coffeyforok Absolutely incorrect. The particulates can travel miles depending on conditions. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and I seriously doubt you have anything to lose with this smelter going in. Correct me if that's not the case and state what's at risk for you.
To recap, we have (1) an expert pointing out that the smelter’s latest DEQ app doesn’t match its press release touting lower emission levels, and (2) an Inola farmer reminding us that even the world’s cleanest smelter in Norway has produced significant poisoning of cattle.
Yes there can be arguments about whether or not he properly took them. He knows what he's doing for sure but I understand that argument, he has lots of experience taking samples but not everyone knows that. The paper shows the industries likely to cause deposition like that and since it was taken around the smelter that points to it as the source. It wasn't around a fertilizer production plant and it was deemed not likely from soil uptake.
@trustnoone1958@OtheCherokees I know the farmer, he's my neighbor. Here's a copy of the paper. There were soil and vegetation tests and I think thats where it's confusing. The forage was deemed not suitable. They don't have the cattle numbers around that plant like we do here in Rogers County.
You're comparing two different things. Fluoride that may be present as an impurity in phosphate fertilizer and incorporated into soil is not equivalent to hydrogen fluoride and particulate fluoride being emitted into the atmosphere 24/7 from an industrial point source.
The question isn't simply, “How many pounds of fluoride exist?” It's what chemical form is it in, how is it released, where does it go, and what concentration reaches vegetation, animals and people?
Fertilizer is applied intentionally to particular acreage at known application rates. Smelter emissions leave stacks and are transported and deposited according to wind, weather, terrain and atmospheric chemistry.
HF is also a gaseous fluoride compound that can be taken up directly by vegetation.
So yes, phosphate fertilizers can contain it but it's not like Hydrogen fluoride that comes from a smelter.