🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️

Orthodox Christian inquirer (ROCOR)☦️ Tsarist🇷🇺☦️ Political commentator and debater. 🇷🇺❤️🇻🇳

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Did Socrates ever write anything about himself? No he didn’t so by your standard he doesn’t have any for his existence.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ It’s not reasonable if it’s literal fallacies. You realize if you do fallacies in a a discussion that doesn’t prove you’re position to be true.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Neither does Socrates so again you are still being dishonest. You are holding clear double standards.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ So does Jesus and he existed? No you just don’t understand how logic works. You think an argument is giving double standards and doing special pleading is honest thing to do. It shows you are bad faith and you don’t know how to actually engage. You been dodging and lying.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Instead of ‘read these books, address the point. You accept Socrates despite writings from disciples years after his death with no firsthand neutral records. Why doesn’t it apply to Paul’s letters 20 years after Jesus, where Paul personally knew Jesus brother James and Peter?

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ So you just lost because you got caught lying and doing fallacies. recommending a list of mythicist books as the response is a textbook appeal to authority so you just keep doing fallacies.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ So then Socrates doesn’t exist because there is no contemporary evidence of him by your logic. Because you have already shown all you do it fallacies and you’re not interested in learning.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ So then Socrates existence is wrong because it was written by plato after his death 20 years later. So again you have a double standard. Socrates wrote nothing of himself. So this is special pleading.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Also your methodology is question begging, you assume Christian sources inadmissible because they’re Christian, but then conclude Christianity lacks evidence because you’ve excluded the evidence beforehand. That’s circular reasoning.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ More fundamentally, what is your justification for the principle that “absence of the evidence I want equals evidence of non existence”? it’s your assumption. Defend that assumption instead of simply repeating it.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ You also keep changing your evidentiary standard. First, you dismissed Paul’s letters as irrelevant because they were “way later.” Now you say contemporaries who knew the person count.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ You literally are don’t be dishonest, I even gave you what moving the goal post is and I can further even show that you did do that.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Do you know what an assertion is? Because you been doing it this entire discussion not seeming to acknowledge fallacies and basic concepts. So what is an assertion.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ That isn’t accurate in Paul’s letters he says stuff like Jesus was “born of a woman, born under the Law” (Galatians 4:4). Jesus was crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2; Galatians 3:1). Jesus was buried and raised (1 Corinthians 15:3–8). So again this is still moving the goal post.

[🇷🇺Mr_Zovda☦️ @MrZovda]

@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Then why did you dismiss Paul’s letters in your original argument? Paul is a first century source who personally knew Peter and James. You’ve changed your criterion from Paul doesn’t count to contemporaries who knew the person count. Pick one standard and apply it consistently.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ This is what moving the goal post is.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Your original argument wasn’t merely that we lack contemporary sources it was that Paul, the Gospels, and later references don’t count. Now you’re saying contemporaries who knew the person do count. So it’s moving the goal post again.

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@Amanita_Jones @yok5ko @trad_west_ Jesus literally throughout the Gospels said he is The Son of God😂 you clearly haven’t read the gospels because now you are gonna look silly when I go to a verse and prove to you he did.