Surah Al-Maidah 5:51: "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as allies; they are but allies to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as allies, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the wrongdoers."
Surah Al-Imran 3:28: "Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever does that has nothing with Allah, except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the destination."
Surah Al-Mumtahanah 60:1: "O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as allies, offering them love, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth, having driven out the Prophet and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord!"
Surah An-Nisa 4:144: "O you who believe! Take not for allies disbelievers rather than believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?"
My dear brother, since you accepted the deal, here is my complete refutation with all supporting evidence.
🔴 PART ONE: YOUR FOUNDATION IS WEAK HADITH (HARAM TO USE)
The "Kufr Duna Kufr" Hadith You Rely On:
Status: WEAK (Da'if) - HARAM to use for Aqeedah
Why It's Weak:
Hisham ibn Hujayr (main narrator) declared weak by:
Ahmad ibn Hanbal¹
Yahya ibn Ma'in²
Ibn al-Madini³
Islamic Ruling on Weak Hadith:
Ahmad ibn Hanbal: Cannot be used for Shari'ah rulings⁴
Ibn Taymiyyah: *"It is not permissible to rely in the Shari'ah upon da'if ahadith"*⁵
Your Problem: You're building your entire aqeedah defending apostate rulers on a WEAK HADITH.
Even If This Hadith Was Authentic (Which It's Not):
The Historical Context: Ibn Abbas said "kufr duna kufr" in a specific situation to protect Ali ibn Abi Talib from the Khawarij who were making takfir on him and Muawiyah for fighting at Siffin.
Your Error: You're taking a specific fatwa meant to defend the righteous Companions and applying it generally to protect today's apostate rulers who systematically dismantle Sharia.
🔴 PART TWO: THE ALMIGHTY'S CLEAR LEGISLATION
Allah's Exclusive Right to Legislate:
Quran 12:40: "Legislation is not but for Allah"
Meaning: Allah alone has the right to make laws. Anyone who systematically replaces His law commits major shirk.
🔴 PART THREE: THE PROPHET'S PRINCIPLE YOU'RE VIOLATING
The Foundation of Islamic Judgment:
Sahih Bukhari 2641 - Umar ibn al-Khattab (following the Prophet's methodology):*"People were judged by revelation in the Prophet's time, but now we judge by manifest deeds.
We trust those showing good outwardly and won't judge their hearts - Allah judges that. But we won't trust those showing evil deeds, even if they claim good intentions."*⁸
The Prophet's Own Application with Usama ibn Zaid:
Sahih Muslim 176 / Sahih Bukhari 6872:*
"The Messenger of Allah sent us in a raiding party. I caught hold of a man and when we attacked him, he said 'La ilaha illa Allah.' I attacked him with my spear and killed him. When this reached the Prophet, he said: 'O Usama! You killed him after he had said La ilaha illa Allah?'
I said: 'O Messenger of Allah! He said it only to save himself.' The Prophet said: 'Did you tear his heart to see?'
He kept repeating this until I wished I had not been a Muslim before that day."*⁹
The Principle: The Prophet established that we judge by apparent declarations and actions, not hidden intentions. If someone says the shahada, we accept it regardless of "what's in their heart."
Your Error: You require knowledge of hearts ("they must believe it's better") instead of judging apparent systematic replacement.
🔴 PART FOUR: THE CRUCIAL DISTINCTION - MUHAMMAD IBN IBRAHIM'S EXPLANATION
The Clear Breakdown from the Teacher of Your Scholars:
Muhammad ibn Ibrahim (the teacher of Bin Baz, Uthaymeen, and Fawzan) explained the crucial distinction:
Muhammad ibn Ibrahim's Full Explanation: "As for what was said about it being 'kufr duna kufr' - if one refers judgment to other than Allah while believing that he is disobedient and that Allah's judgment is the truth - this applies to isolated cases and the like.
But whoever makes laws systematically - this is kufr, even if they say 'we made mistakes and the Sharia's judgment is more just.' This is kufr that removes from the religion."
The explanation continues: "So he distinguished between partial judgment that does not repeat and general judgment that is the reference in all judgments or most of them. He established that this is kufr that removes from the religion absolutely."
CATEGORY 1: INDIVIDUAL JUDGE (Isolated cases)
Judge knows Allah's ruling but rules differently due to desire/bribery in isolated cases
"Partial judgment that does not repeat"
Potential minor kufr (if authentic narrations applied)
CATEGORY 2: SYSTEMATIC COMPREHENSIVE REPLACEMENT (General reference system)
Ruler systematically establishes laws as the "reference in all judgments or most of them"
Makes man-made law the comprehensive foundation
MAJOR KUFR - removes from Islam regardless of heart beliefs
The Key Point: Even if the ruler admits Sharia is better, systematic replacement is still major kufr!
Why Systematic Replacement = Major Kufr:
"Whoever sets aside Islamic Sharia and makes man-made law a substitute for it - this is evidence that he sees the law as better and more suitable than the Sharia. There is no doubt this is major kufr that removes from the religion and contradicts Tawheed."
🔴 PART FIVE: IBN TAYMIYYAH'S ACTUAL METHODOLOGY
What Ibn Taymiyyah Really Did:
Historical Facts:
Mongols claimed Islam but ruled by Yassa (their man-made law) systematically
Ibn Taymiyyah declared: *"It is obligatory to fight them until they comply to all of the Sharia, even though they may utter the Shahaadatayn"*¹⁰
He judged by apparent systematic replacement, not hidden beliefs
Ibn Taymiyyah's Clear Fatwas:
First Fatwa:*"Whenever a person makes halal what is haram by consensus or makes haram what is halal by consensus or replaces the Sharia that is agreed upon by consensus, then he is a kafir."*¹¹
Second Fatwa: "A scholar who abandons what he has learned from the Quran and Sunnah and follows a ruler who does not rule in accordance with the teachings of Allah and His Messenger is an apostate and a disbeliever who deserves punishment in this world and the Hereafter."
Notice: Ibn Taymiyyah said "does not rule" - he didn't say anything about what the ruler "believes." He made takfir based on the apparent action of not ruling by Allah's law, following the Prophet's principle of judging by manifest deeds.
Your False Claim: You said he required "istihlal" (believing it's lawful) The Reality: He made takfir for systematic replacement itself, following the Prophet's principle
🔴 PART SIX: IBN KATHIR'S POSITION ON THE MONGOLS
Ibn Kathir's Fatwa on Systematic Replacement:Ibn Kathir confirmed that when the Mongols (Tatars) established the Yassa law system and obliged people to judge by it instead of Sharia, they became disbelievers due to this systematic replacement.¹³
🔴 PART SEVEN: THE SCHOLARS YOU FOLLOW CONFIRM THIS
Consensus on Systematic Replacement:
Ibn Uthaymeen:
"There is a difference between a person who establishes a law contrary to Sharia for people to judge by, and another person who judges in a specific case. Whoever establishes a law to be followed - this is a disbeliever."
Al-Fawzan:
"Whoever systematically substitutes Allah's legislation with them and makes them a place for Allah's legislation and judges by them - this is kufr."
Bin Baz:*
"There is no iman for the man who replaces the Sharia of Allah with man-made ideas. This person is a kafir, even if he believes in his heart the Sharia is better."*¹⁴
🔴 PART EIGHT: TODAY'S REALITY
Every majority Muslim Country regimes Has Done Exactly What Ibn Taymiyyah Condemned:
What Mongols Did:
Ruled by Yassa instead of Sharia systematically What Today's Rulers Do: Rule by man-made law instead of Sharia systematically
Sharia reduced to "personal status" matters only
Man-made law becomes the comprehensive foundation
This is ISTIBDAL - the exact same systematic replacement Ibn Taymiyyah made takfir on.
🔴 PART NINE: YOUR FUNDAMENTAL ERRORS EXPOSED
The Different Categories of Ruling by Other Than Allah:
Islamic scholars have clearly distinguished between different types of ruling by other than Allah's law:
CATEGORY 1: LEGISLATOR/CODIFIER
Makes systematic laws to replace Sharia
Status: Major kufr - becomes a Taghut
CATEGORY 2: SYSTEMATIC JUDGE
Always judges by man-made law as the comprehensive reference
Status: Major kufr when it's systematic/comprehensive
CATEGORY 3: PREFERENTIAL JUDGE
Believes man-made law is better than Sharia
Status: Major kufr by consensus
CATEGORY 4: EQUALIZING JUDGE
Believes both laws are equal
Status: Major kufr by consensus
CATEGORY 5: REPLACEMENT JUDGE
Removes Sharia completely, brings other law system
Status: Major kufr by consensus
CATEGORY 6: OCCASIONAL JUDGE
Judges wrongly in isolated cases while knowing it's wrong
Status: Potential minor kufr
Your Fundamental Errors:
❌ 1. Using Weak Hadith for Aqeedah - Haram according to Ahmad ibn Hanbal
❌ 2. Applying Individual Categories to Systematic Replacement - Wrong methodology
❌ 3. Requiring Knowledge of Hearts - Violates the Prophet's principle
❌ 4. Confusing Different Categories - Mixing individual cases with systematic replacement
🛑CONCLUSION
The Evidence Shows:
✅ Your foundation (weak hadith) is haram to use
✅ Systematic replacement = major kufr (unanimous consensus)
✅ Judge by apparent actions (Prophet's principle)
✅ Today's rulers committed the exact same crime as Mongols
✅ The scholars you follow support systematic replacement = kufr
The Almighty's Guidance:
"Legislation is not but for Allah" - Quran 12:40
The Prophet's Method:
Judge by apparent actions, not hidden intentions.
Classical Consensus:
Systematic replacement of Sharia = major kufr regardless of heart beliefs
🛑Reminder: Remember to be sincere - ensure that you are seeking the Haqq and not here to argue.
My dear brother may Allah bless you and guide , you promised to admit you're wrong when shown proof. The evidence is overwhelming:
1. Your hadith is weak (haram to use)
2 . You're confusing categories (individual vs systematic)
3. You're violating the Prophet's principle (requiring heart knowledge)
4. The scholars you follow confirm systematic replacement = kufr
5. Classical consensus is against your position
Will you honor your word and admit you were wrong?
Will you drop this dangerous aqeedah that protects the enemies of Allah's law?
The truth is only one - and it lies with those who follow the Quran, Sunnah, and the understanding of the righteous predecessors.
If you want to reply to this response, address ALL the points systematically just as I have addressed each of yours. Refute each point one by one with evidence, or admit you cannot.
REFERENCES:
¹ Ahmad ibn Hanbal on Hisham ibn Hujayr - Kitab al-Du'afa, Vol 3/234
² Yahya ibn Ma'in on weak narrators - Al-Mizaan, Vol 3/134
³ Ibn al-Madini's assessment - Classical hadith science
⁴ Ahmad's position on weak hadith - https://t.co/nAGIxdKP6Z
⁵ Ibn Taymiyyah - Al-Qa'idah al-Jalilah
⁷ Quran 12:40 - Sahih International and multiple translations
⁸ Sahih Bukhari 2641 - Book of Witnesses -
⁹ Sahih Muslim 176, Sahih Bukhari 6872 -
¹⁰ Ibn Taymiyyah's anti-Mongol fatwas - Historical consensus
¹¹ Ibn Taymiyyah fatwa - Majmu al-Fatawa
¹² Ibn Taymiyyah - Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah, volume 35, page 373
¹³ Ibn Kathir's position on Mongols - Classical Islamic sources
Your scholars refuting your claims:
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My dear, of course you don't want to be exposed. All you do is give sleeping pills to the ummah so that atrocities and genocides like the one in Gaza can occur without any action from the ummah. Here I am exposing you, what you said VS what the Prophet said. ⬇️⬇️
I was sitting with the Messenger of Allah when a man said:
O Messenger of Allah! The people have lost interest in horses and put down their weapons, and they say there is no Jihad, and that war has ended.'
The Messenger of Allah turned to face him and said: 'They are lying, now the fighting is to come. There will always be a group among my Ummah who will fight for the truth, for whom Allah will cause some people to deviate, and grant them provision from them, until the Hour begins and until the promise of Allah comes.'
Primary Source: Sunan an-Nasa'i 3561
Also found in: Sunan al-Kubra (Hadith: 4386)
Authentication: Sahih Ibn Hibban (Al Ihsan, Hadith: 7307)
My dear, of course you don't want to be exposed. All you do is give sleeping pills to the ummah so that atrocities and genocides like the one in Gaza can occur without any action from the ummah. Here I am exposing you, what you said VS what the Prophet said. ⬇️⬇️
I was sitting with the Messenger of Allah when a man said:
O Messenger of Allah! The people have lost interest in horses and put down their weapons, and they say there is no Jihad, and that war has ended.'
The Messenger of Allah turned to face him and said: 'They are lying, now the fighting is to come. There will always be a group among my Ummah who will fight for the truth, for whom Allah will cause some people to deviate, and grant them provision from them, until the Hour begins and until the promise of Allah comes.'
Primary Source: Sunan an-Nasa'i 3561
Also found in: Sunan al-Kubra (Hadith: 4386)
Authentication: Sahih Ibn Hibban (Al Ihsan, Hadith: 7307)
You really are a hypocrite. Here you are telling others to do what you will not do yourself.
You have been refuted, even by your own words. You claimed you could bring a quote from Ibn Taymiyyah that does not exist, and you used weak hadith that was proven to you to be weak.
What did you do then? Did you retract your statements? Did you stop spreading deviance? No, you blocked me and ran away, and here you are acting like the hero."
https://t.co/Q3c6ahrLkW
That is impossible - he cannot bring such a statement from Ibn Taymiyyah.
He says Ibn Taymiyyah made takfir on them not because of Sharia but because they took Ghazan Khan as prophet.
This claim would also put him in trouble because Ibn Taymiyyah did not say anything of this nature regarding the takfir of the Mongols.
In fact, he clearly related it to Sharia.
He said: 'It is obligatory to fight them until they comply to all of the Sharia, even though they may utter the Shahaadataayn.'
Note: until they comply to all of the Sharia.
He did not say 'until they reject Ghazan Khan as prophet' or anything of that nature - he pointed it straight to Sharia.
I sincerely ask Allah to guide him to the truth.
My dear, I advise you to stop wasting your time with this individual - he is not sincere and Allah is witness to everything.
He is an arrogant creature, maybe for this reason Allah has made him blind to the truth.
You are wasting your time - no matter how you refute him, he will not accept.