@FullMtl_Patriot@powdury@Leaflit imo its better to ignore those types, not call people out "on our own side" for being narrow minded when we have no evidence the people causing trouble are even good faith
@FullMtl_Patriot@powdury@Leaflit I was assuming this was directed at other creators, not general randos on X. I agree completely that those people are wrong. No matter what, those people will exist. Majority of them are likely trolls trying to sew division.
@Leaflit@powdury I may be missing some context (I cant watch/read everything said on both sides of this), but my point is to ask this. Are we not allowed to express disagreement within our ranks? if not, when are we supposed to have this discourse to improve ideas?
@Leaflit@powdury I agree with all of this. "Discourse strengthens our ideas" But what I consistently see from the new right are political refugees (that just got welcomed from cancelation) claiming that any form of disagreement, criticism, or questioning of their principles is "purity spiraling"
@powdury@Utility0007 most people agree that the mom comes first in these cases. thats why its kinda suspicious to use those extremely rare cases to justify the other 90% abortions. would you disagree with an anti-abortion policy that ONLY targets elective? if so, why even bring up the other argument
@Leaflit I think this is the key disagreement. imo, given how she phrased other points in the videos (8:00 her vid), shes not advocating for paying all artists instead of utilizing AI. I think this is why she corrected herself to specify *quality* artists. but i might be too generous
@Leaflit she says "I dont think we should praise the idea that "this is going to bring down the cost 2D vtubing and art because then people will charge". I think that artists- *quality* artists -still need a means to be able to support themselves and their livelihood."
@Leaflit a comparable example to what shes advocating for would be the cutting boards you were selling. its cheaper, more efficient, and faster to make them out of a plastic material. but the longer wait and higher price is worth it to people that care about that kind of craftsmanship
@Leaflit@Metal_Teuffel 13:25 not saying AI is bad, but I agree with her here. look what we lost after treasure planet. atlantis: the lost empire. brother bear. those movies were gorgeous. not to say the new stuff is bad, but that "lost" Disney will be greatly missed.
@Leaflit@Metal_Teuffel 13:01 imo, this sounds like praise to me. shes talking about how high quality your program is. saying that if done "by hand" it would be ridiculously expensive.