Jim

Songwriter @The_London_Fog

[Jim @Myshkin08]

I have lived in
A sort of twilight
Consciousness where
Long shadows
Make themselves
Known.

Samhain approaches
The veil thins
Penumbral shades
Touch
Living and dead
They speak!

Beware.
Hear.
Avoid possession.
Ye are the light
And locus
Of spiritual theurgy.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

And I did that for a week ...
🙂

[Guitar Gods Unleashed @gguworld]

Tom Petty would have turned 76 today. Here he is telling how he wrote “The Waiting.”

He had the lick and the chorus fast, then got stuck for a week, playing it over and over until his neighbors banged on the wall yelling “don’t play that anymore!”

Fitting, for a song about how the waiting is the hardest part. Happy birthday, Tom.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

The unjustified arrogance of atheists continues to amaze.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro You never answered the question. I have to assume at this point, you won't.

Bye.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

Perhaps, however that is not it's intent. Those who try to read science into religion do both a disservice. The point is that the great subject of religion, God, is essentially ineffable to us and requires faith.

In the same way you advocate faith in AI, nature being at some point, ineffable to human minds.

[Sabine Hossenfelder @skdh]

@Myshkin08 religion does not give us useful, predictive descriptions of nature

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro It's arrogant as fuck

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@QuoteNietzsche Nietzche's Abyss, can be found in the Unconscious of Jung.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro So arrogant.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro What evidence do you have that you are experiencing nature/ reality, as it is?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

Irrelevant. Blood flows through say, humans and octopi. Same fundamental process. At a certain level, we are made of the same atoms. We obey the same physical laws. Are humans and octopi the same, or are we different?

Or, lets just stick to the body: Is the brain the same as the heart?

It's not about what they are made of, it's about what they do. There is a difference between the right and left hemispheres of the brain, how they apprehend the world.

You display characteristics, typical of someone with right hemisphere deficiency.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro Best means we currently have is not an answer. I'll ask again:

What evidence do you have that you are experiencing nature/ reality, as it is?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro So what?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

I'm not the one who is confused. I asked you this:

"So, what evidence do you have that you are experiencing nature/ reality, as it is?" ... to which you responded:

//Of course, we experience nature only partially by our sensories and we can conceive it only partially by intellectual reasoning.//

When we use a compass or a magnetometer to detect magnetic fields, do we use our senses in order to use the tool?

In any case, is I'm confused about what you have said. Are you now saying that scientific inquiry, which depends on our senses, is be capable of describing reality as it is, fully and completely?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

Dude, you introduced the term:

//Religion appears as an extension to these means which is not backed by any evidence. It is as "reasonable" as wizardry.//

To the question: "what evidence do you have that you are experiencing nature/ reality, as it is?", you admit that we only see reality as it is, partially.

You admit that it is at least possible to approach aspects of reality through non rational means, yet despite all this, you are certain that religion has nothing to offer.

This in itself is not reasonable.

How can something that is not reasonable be approachable only through reasonable inquiry? It makes no sense. Science attempts to tell us things about reality, but it is by no means exhaustive. To insist that it is, demonstrates right hemisphere deficiency, and capture by the left.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

Dreaming is not reasonable. Neurology can describe certain aspects of correlates to dreaming, but not why the contents of dreams are what they are.

I could quibble whether dreams are a different state of consciousness, or are in fact a process of the psyche in the unconscious, but that would derail things unnecessarily.

In dreams we have something that is not reasonable happening every time we sleep, universally around the world.

The point here, is that to insist that reality as it is, be expressed exclusively by reasonable means, is in fact itself not reasonable.

Life is not reasonable. Humans are not reasonable. You admit that we don't have access to reality as it is, yet you cling to that reality MUST be understood through reasonable means.

If you do not see your error, there is not much more than I can do.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

It's good to have your admission. As to evidence, sure there is - it's amazing how left hemisphere dominant you are.

Emotions are not reasonable. Love and hate, things like this are not reasonable, and are in fact a fundamental aspect of what it is to be human, yet you appear oblivious.

Do you dream?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

Life is not 'reasonable'. Humans are not reasonable. It is good to have your admission that it IS reasonable to think that we only experience nature/ reality partially.

We do conceive of reality through intellectual reasoning (Left hemisphere) but it is helpful to note that you do not include that we FEEL reality as well (Right hemisphere).

So you can't say that you are experiencing and understand nature/ reality as it is, but you are certain that religion has nothing to offer.

Is it not possible that aspects of reality as it is, can only be approached through non reasonable means?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

That you don't understand that your question is flawed, is not helpful. It's not a counter question. It's a question that aims to try and sort out your flawed question.

Your premise through your comments, is that religion is a way to ignore reality as it is, to add something that is 'a remnant of the magical Phase of childhood' that requires people to abandon logic and scientific thinking, despite the reality that many scientists down through history that were religious.

So, what evidence do you have that you are experiencing nature/ reality, as it is?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro Your question is flawed. Using the term 'another reality' unjustifiably presumes that there is more than one. However, since it seems that you think you have access to reality as it really is, what evidence can you provide that you do?

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro It's quite obvious that you are one of those right hemisphere deficients who thinks the left hemisphere's re-presentation of reality, is reality 'as it is'.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro At the end of the day, lack of religious belief indicates a deficiency in the right hemisphere. Not all have lost this. However left hemisphere dominance sees itself as the arbiter of reality as it is, mistaking its re-presentation of reality, as reality itself.

[Jim @Myshkin08]

@amigo_astro That would come as quite the surprise to the many religious scientists down through history.