@Zeeeee_xx@marcoc6ah@destroysunnis Dumbass, the book is perfectly explained as a way of guidance as written in verse (16:89).
That’s like saying prove Jesus existed without using any source of documents.
@Sp05ht@Zeeeee_xx@destroysunnis The Hadith was talking about a specific woman that is black that represented a disease, it doesn’t entail that all black women are a disease.
A person is either black of white so I don’t see the problem here when the prophet was just describing her looks.
@EstherMartm6i@BestPerson58169@Julianare0515@Deenresponds You didn’t even refute anything I said✌️
My point is that the same way you believe Jesus did a general confirmation we also believe Allāh ﷻ did a general confirmation, which is backed up by verse [5:48], and also Ibn Abbas (prophet’s cousin) interpretation [Bukhari 7363].
@EstherMartm6i@BestPerson58169@Julianare0515@Deenresponds 2) So you have to admit that Jesus does a general confirmation which would trash the Islamic dilemma argument, since we Muslims believe in a general confirmation not an absolute one.
@EstherMartm6i@BestPerson58169@Julianare0515@Deenresponds 1) Are you genuinely a dumbass? You ignored my question.
It’s a dilemma ONLY if you say Jesus affirmed absolutely EVERYTHING, so in this case either Jesus is wrong or the Pharisees are always right (which they aren’t), which would lead to a dilemma in both choices.
@EstherMartm6i@BestPerson58169@Julianare0515@Deenresponds Does Jesus in Matthew 23:1-3 do an Absolute confirmation of the teaching of the Pharisees?
If yes, then it’s a dilemma since they have teachings contradictory to the Torah.
If no, then the Islamic dilemma fails, since a confirmation can be general without it being absolute.
@BestPerson58169@Julianare0515@Deenresponds And I wouldn’t call the argument a dilemma, I would say it’s a counter-argument for the dumb Christians who keep committing verbatim fallacy and take everything literally.
@BestPerson58169@Julianare0515@Deenresponds In Matthew 23:1-3 when Jesus says to follow EVERYTHING the Pharisees teach you, does he affirm absolutely everything they say? If no, then your Islamic dilemma argument fails terribly, since you conceded that you can do a confirmation without it being absolute and just general.
@knicksin6or7@Goatesology both Hadiths talk about the generation they were living in, and the hour is meant as his death and not the actual hour.
The Hadiths didn’t come to existence 200 years later, they were compiled and graded by strict rules that made it trust worthy.