I’ve honestly never met or heard of a Christian that thinks Israel is saved without faith in messiah.
Maybe anon X accounts, but most of those are foreign country bots.
The same people who cry about faith alone in regards to osas sure throw it out the door when it comes to the new covenant promises regarding unbelieving jews
Years of Holy Spirit-less bad interpretations and teachings of scriptures will do that
Reducing it to just changing your mind isn’t faithful to the NT. There is clearly a change of will and behavior that accompanies true repentance.
“Godly sorrow leading to salvation” Paul calls it.
@WWURD_Official Reducing it to just changing your mind isn’t faithful to the NT. There is clearly a change of will and behavior that accompanies true repentance.
“Godly sorrow leading to salvation” Paul calls it.
Again, a genuine question: aren’t the 1689ers striking a blow at the Reformed system they want to claim they are a part of by excluding infant baptism?
It’s pretty core to the “1 people of God” concept isn’t it? Am I wrong?
I.e. if you don’t want to baptize your babies, you can’t be Reformed.
The only thing you need in order to be qualified to come to Jesus is to be a sinner.
Jesus came, not for the righteous, but for sinners. Not for those who are well, but for the sick. He came to seek and save the lost.
If you are a sinner, poor and needy, lost and ruined, weak and wounded, sick and sore, then you are exactly the kind of person Jesus loves to save.
@1689Nacho@dgh5391 I’ve told you exactly how to find out the info you want. I’m not here to gossip. I lived through it, so I know it’s legit.
I was closer to the situation than I ever wanted to be.
Somebody replied to something I tweeted. I saw the notification and clicked on it, but he deleted it. So now I don’t get to know what he said. From the quick preview, it seemed like he was mad.
💯 with the slight modification that Israel as a nation is not yet part of the body of Christ. One day they will be by faith in their Messiah, just like us gentiles!
We will all be children of Abraham together, praising our Messiah!
We love Israel as saved members of the Body of Christ because Israel stands as a living testimony to the faithfulness of God and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Her preservation among the nations is a witness that God's Word is true and reminds us that the return of the Lord Jesus Christ draweth nigh.
@Exodus15_11@DrJackHughes I haven’t, but I agree with this except. I believe you can trace Amil down to Origen. The “father of allegory”. Who went to the Plato school in Alexandria. And that’s some of the same underlying philosophy of Gnosticism.
When I was in a Reformed church, I was so depressed. Scripture seemed like such a riddle because you were always looking for the “deeper meaning”.
Since leaving that all behind, my spiritual life is so much more full. Scripture CAN be understood in its plain sense.
The command that Jesus gave is exactly what God said in the beginning. Be fruitful and multiply. Later revelation tells us that yes, staying single is fine. But no revelation tells us that being gay is fine. Or a pedophile. Or bestiality. Or any other sexual perversion. You’re either single or you’re heterosexually married. Those are the only 2 righteous paths.
I guess I’m not surprised by this response, given the one guy I singled out that disqualified himself in a nationally public manner, also took part in childish responses like this and seemed overly obsessed with alcohol and other drugs. Oh and his congregant’s wife.
@nocoradio To add even more detail. I know folks in that church who quit bringing their Bible because they said it wasn’t even used during the service. And one of the more shameful instances was when he read Romans 8, and then said “but what Paul really should’ve said is…”
@nocoradio Not even sure what you’re trying to say here. The guy I’m talking about tried to cozy up to you and your brother back in the day. And it works for a while I guess. But eventually, his name all over barstool and other national publications.
@Poobearthebold@RScottClark I think you’re imposing a wooden literalness meaning on me which I never stated. It’s like you’re arguing against dispensationalism, instead of against me and my points. I’m not a dispensationalist and never have claimed to be. I lean that way on eschatology. That’s about it. 🤷♂️
For what it’s worth, though, the linked article in this post is very good. It isn’t coherent to call it Replacement theology.
They believe the church is, always has been, and always will be the only people of God.
I completely disagree with that interpretation. It makes all of ancient Israel’s history seemed like a huge amount of rigmarole for nothing. And makes God seem dishonest in my eyes.
So I’ll just call it “wrong theology“ from here on out. 😁
Dear Cloistered,
1. The Bible treats covenant (בְּרִיתִי and διαθηκη) as an important term and category. These terms occur hundreds of times in Scripture and at key points in the history of redemption (e.g., Gen 6:18; 9:9-17; 15:18; 17:2-21; Ex 6:5; Deut 5:2-3; the ark if the covenant; Jer 31:31-33; Matt 26:28; Rom 9:4; Paul a minister of the New Covenant! 2 Cor 3:6; Paul uses it as his explanation of the history of redemption in Gal 3; it's central to the entire book of Hebrews). Shirley,, you cannot object to using covenant as a way of understanding scripture.
2. The Christian Church has been using covenant as a way of understanding redemptive history since AD 120. The Epistle of Barnabas was nothing if not a covenant theology. Justin Martyr appealed to covenant theology vs Trypho. Irenaeus did the same vs the Gnostics. All these wrote before the third century. All the Protestant Reformers appealed to covenant theology vs the Anabaptists.
3. The charge that covenant theology is a replacement theology is completely unfounded. Dispensationalists think this because they read their own categories into our theology. We do not teach a replacement theology. We deny that national Israel is at the center of the story of scripture, but we certainly do not believe that Gentiles have replaced Jews in God's saving plan. We have always taught that all the elect, both Jew and Gentile, will be saved. The early Christian church, until the destruction of Jerusalem, was predominantly Jewish. In that regard, the issue in the New Testament is not the replacement of the Jews but how to admit Gentiles. Covenant theology is a theology of addition, not replacement.
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@Poobearthebold@RScottClark I think you’re creating a false dichotomy. It is literal truth. Using language they understood at the time. It would not have made sense for him to say “Russia is going to attack”. To them it’s Gog and Magog. To us it’s Russia. Same for every other of those kingdoms.
No, they are to be taken literally. Like Gog and Magog are from the north. And if you trace out their roots, most likely, it’s Russia.
I suspect the same for every other kingdom. Even if the people have completely died out, which I doubt, God was describing to them in their language of that day, where these enemies were going to come from.
Which is my core point actually. God spoke to Israel in ways they understood. That doesn’t change that he literally meant what he said. He wasn’t saying to them one thing but meaning something else.