@hilly5353@Uc_heyy02 Cersei isn’t a good person, and she makes some shitty choices that backfire. But saying she got all her children killed and her actions alone, is simply not true, unless you ignore every other characters actions that led to hers. And the ones who actually did kill her children.
@hilly5353@Uc_heyy02 - let scapegoating of Sansa and Tyrion happen. Caused trial & Tommen as king.
Cersei reacted when Margaery tried to get rid of her, and away from her kid. Had she not blown the sept, Tommen would be judged and punished with her (bastard of incest). It was last option choice.
@hilly5353@Uc_heyy02 Like I wrote to another one, saying Cersei killed, even single handedly got all her children killed is such a highly biased take. It only works if you remove literally everyone else’s agency and choices from the story. Even the direct culprits.
@ASOIAFQuotesGOT Perhaps by treating your wife like crap, and only showing Joffrey (the kid who looks up to him) an uncaring, violent, drunk, whoremonger as his rolemodel. Joffrey was a lost case in any case, but Robert got no self insight.
@Uc_heyy02@LittleRabidFox It was partly, she coddled her kids, which affected them in different ways, but Joffrey was not on her ALONE. Court treated him as the entitled crown prince. He was clearly biologically messed up, plus his rolemodel of a father/king was a neglectful, drunk, violent whoremonger.
@LittleRabidFox@Uc_heyy02 That “extension” parroting is so tiresome, and not even true to the show version. And she raised Tommen and Myrcella too. That she “ignored” them is just another biased headcanon (with no canon basis) the fandom chose to parrot, to blame Joffrey aaaaaall on her.
@Historianluce@Uc_heyy02 Agree to disagree. Most mothers who love their children try their best. Is it the best? Not always, but that’s a matter of opinion in any case.
@Historianluce@Uc_heyy02 Cersei made some real shitty choices, but taking the real shitty choices off the other characters (cause yes, most made such) is taking the complexity of the story and characters.
@Historianluce@Uc_heyy02 Peaceful resolution? From her perspective, it was fight and maybe win, or surrender and die anyway. She thought she could win. Yes, the incest was her and Jaime’s choice. Robert never gave her a chance to begin with though. She had tried. Good on her for taking some agency.
@Historianluce@Uc_heyy02 So could be said of most of the characters. I don’t think either of these women were worse. They tried their best with what they had and at least loved and were devoted to their children. The worst are not on this list, many of them men (but those are rarely judged).