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I/me/myself/mine women are real and not a feeling

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One question I have seen is why would anyone who isn't a bigot not accept that trans women are women?
Well, a simple answer is there is no reason why anyone would. The people who believe it (or at least claim to), not only don't have reasons, they spend a decade arguing that reasons are transphobic. But, what they do say is never intended to persuade people. It's virtue signaling, so they can feel good, or intended to shame people into silence and acquiescence. Such as
1) Shut up bigot. Clearly not an actual argument, not a rational thought, not something meant to influence anyone who cares about what is true
2) In a similar vein, "That's a bad faith question". This is an easy out. It gives someone the high ground, but they don't have to think about it
3) "We should believe people when they tell us who they are" This isn't an argument that is used for anything else. Indeed, when someone identifies as black, they are quick to refute it. This is simple intellectual laziness
4) A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman. Apart from being meaningless and circular, this is deeply misogynistic. The person saying this, is saying that to them, women are so unimportant and irrelevant, that there is not characteristic that makes someone a woman, no reason to keep something just for women, anyone can get into women's spaces on just their word
5) Trump agrees with you. It's hard to believe anyone thinks this is an argument. It's a direct admission that the person making it doesn't care about the truth, but sees this as entirely tribal
6) Men and women are social roles. They rarely say what these roles are, mostly because they recognize this is sexism gone wild. For 100 years, feminists fought against the idea that what women could do and be was limited, that they could do whatever they wanted, be whatever they want, but now we have these misogynists saying "Actually no, if you are a woman, there are certain ways you have to behave, things that interests you, types of jobs you should do". But they only say this because they think it helps give men access to women. They don't really believe it. Being pregnant is about as much of a social role for women as it's possible to have, but they will happily accept the concept of a pregnant man
7) Sex isn't real anyway. Or some variation of why there are issues defining by sex. This is following the Creationist model. They think that if they can cast doubt on the other view, their view somehow wins by default. This is not only scientifically illiterate, but they are adding racism to their misogyny. To claim that sex isn't important is claiming that FGM, selective infanticide and abortion, child marriages, honour killings are just not important. They mostly happen to brown people, so they are not something we need to understand or address, and it is more important that men who think they are women feel validated than it is to accurately describe the root causes of abuses like these
8) We shouldn't define woman as will exclude some trans women
9) we shouldn't define woman as it is telling trans people they need to justify their own existence
8) Sometimes, the people may talk about how hard it is to live with dysphoria. These are in the minority now I think, as most supporters will acknowledge there is no need for dysphoria, no need for the trans woman to feel uncomfortable about his penis, or even to want to take estrogen, His claim of being a woman is enough. IT's nt just that they don't know what the man means, or why he thinks some feeling he has makes him a woman, they don't care. The man who feels a woman is a gaping vacant hole to be penetrated and so wants to be one, and the girl who doesn't want to be objectified so thinks she is a bot are just the same to these awful people - insert image
10) Science. Occasionally, there may be some ill thought out reference to science. Many trans people don't like this, because as with defining it, it would mean many people claiming trans status are not really trans. But not only does the science not hold up - there are no brain scans that can identify any trans people, it's also irrelevant. Finding an area of the brain that is more similar to women than men in trans women doesn't tell us that this does anything, or give us any reason for using this as what makes someone a woman. IT also harks back to the idea of male and female brains, that men are good at some things, and women at others. The misogyny is never far away with trans supporters

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Depends. If it is being used as a slur/ insult for someone whonthinks sex is real and importsnt, then yes. If it is being used in its original sense, as an acronym for trans exclusionary radical feminist, then no, as. Though you may be able to argue men can be feminists, men cannot be radical feminists.

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@Misanthrope_II @geauxchingon @camhigby @grok I have no idea how you could read Grok’s answer and think that, its just bizarre

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@jan_murray Yeah, Monty (and probably many others) say the same.
Bonus, they don’t even have to feel bad for the women forced to exclude, because they are by deffiniton bigots, and we shouldn’t care about or pander or bigotry.

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How does someone tell the difference between agender (and so trans) because the concept of gender is meaninlgess to them and they use man/woman only in the traditional sense, as most people who aren’t TRAs would claim) and not feeling a strong attachment to a sense of gender because they don’t get regularly misgendered (as TRAs tend to claim)?

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@KerryBurgess Krabby Patties? Dr Kelp? Really?

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@ASOIAFQuotesGOT Shes a little unusual looking, but certainly not ugly

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@boreddeleuzian In his case, it is true for the narrow deffiniton of “assigned” where you mean “recorded”
This was incorrect though, it didnt actually make him female.

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@AgainstWeaves @millihill @Independent “Toddler dies in car after Keith Starmer steps down” would also be true

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@JBTradeJournal @millihill @Independent

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@Docstockk @SVPhillimore Also, apparently that they do, so gender can’t be taught in schools

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@ChrisMurphyCT Why?

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@BillWiIdin Most people don’t know if the “we don’t have to pay out staff” rule applies at these places, so assume it is like a restaurant. The tip isn’t for service, or doing s job well, but because American labour laws are insane

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@Misanthrope_II @geauxchingon @camhigby @grok Depends, it is if he was expecting “the claim is wrong”

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@camhigby Reminder, nah

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@UziCryptoo If you are paying those prices you certainly don’t know how to shop

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@Scott_Wiener Do they though ? No
Iran has the same attitude to homosexuality as you do - trans the gay away. I’m surprised you aren’t applauding them

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@AndyBraun520 Everyone involved in women only baby showers is weird

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@EmmaScott Oh? How many women were in parliament in 1918 or 1928?

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@NeuroSGS Do you think this person is lying, or genuinely believes this? If so, why? Did someone else lie to them and they just accepted it? Did they misunderstand something? Are they just misremembering something they actually read?

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@BasedMikeLee Anyone stupid enough to believe this is totally immune to facts, nothing you can do can change their minds.