@ShitpostRock "It's all because of (defensible argument) but even if it wasn't..."
It's so funny to watch someone willingly walk out of the motte while under scrutiny.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 Obviously in all these cases the actual likelihood of any charges being pressed over some water are very low, but it's important to know where the law stands on such things, especially when you're dealing with someone who may be motivated to be petty based on your identity.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 Intentionally throwing water from a cup does count as "intentional infliction of harmful or offensive physical contact with another person without consent".
If the aggressor touches her, even a little bit. The water is justified, but not before.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 It's the exact same standard, don't touch people no matter what they say. If they touch you then you do whatever is necessary to make sure they stop, following an appropriate escalation of force.
@shadexana6@TheMysteriousGX@00DaniPonie@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 Security in whatever establishment you're in will likely want the situation on police record at the very least in case the person they threw out decides to press bogus charges against them. It's a good way to cover their asses.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 They should be. They should not do anything more than is necessary to neutralize the threat you pose. If they choose to do so via physical force they open themselves up to legal liability.
But I'm telling you to do what's best for *you*. Don't escalate.
@TheMysteriousGX@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 Actually I said you should de-escelate and contact law enforcement. It isn't legal to shout targeted slurs at people either (Sexual harassment, may constitute assault in the manner you described), it just doesn't legally justify physical violence.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 In the exact moment it would be unwise to assume that there aren't more blows incoming. Leaving should be the first option taken if possible, but you know that not everyone operates that way. There are people who will blow up on you. I'm giving this advice for your safety.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 That is still battery and not good for you on a legal standpoint. It may be somewhat less likely to provoke an immediate physical reaction but the law views it in largely the same manner. Same with the cream pie discussed elsewhere.
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@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 I am referring to the escalation of force doctrine. If you attack someone they should use non-lethal force to neutralize the threat you pose. I am explicitly stating that a slap is not a lethal threat and should not be responded to as such.
@00DaniPonie@shadexana6@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 The use of a slur does not constitute legal grounds for the use of physical violence in self defense. It may constitute harassment for which you can seek recourse, but violence is legally off the table.
@shadexana6@00DaniPonie@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 A slap does not justify anything approaching lethal force, but it does justify acting in self defense, AND legal action for battery.
This is true for all people. Trans people are not held to a special standard here. Don't batter people. Seek legal recourse for harassment.
@kalina_chung@00DaniPonie@shadexana6@TheMysteriousGX@__C0zyy@ThatABSensei_2 It's all well and good in a fantasy world where the author gets to decide how everything works, but you can't expect people in the real world to act like one might expect people in the fantasy to act.
Our material AND spiritual conditions are simply not the same