Random_Observer_X

Christian, he/him. Advocate for personal freedom: #ProChoice, #2A, #CCWReciprocity. Woke means empathy - Shouldn't all Christians be woke in that sense?

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

Does your pro-life pastor "push" you to infringe on the free will of your neighbors (pro-choice, LGBT*, etc) to the point that it interferes with your pursuit of Christ? There are other churches where you CAN worship without so much distraction. 1/

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@RepentantWhitey @Marmartk01 @nbrink77 @tiffany_two @JackieFrancesca @NathanielWhata @MJ040510 @AstrelGelin @jsors2020 @MucusMucous1 @MaybeProbs @Sigma_Freud_ @ZELLKLUMPEN @BroLifeToby @randolf828 @JamesRoss117 @jaylessblame @mr_JasonW @RoryWantsToKnow @beethovengal @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 Society does generally default to the biological parents for this care, but society ALSO provides paths for those who choose NOT to accept this ongoing responsibility (e.g. safe haven laws and adoption). Did you consider these facts when you formed your opinion? 3/3

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@RepentantWhitey @Marmartk01 @nbrink77 @tiffany_two @JackieFrancesca @NathanielWhata @MJ040510 @AstrelGelin @jsors2020 @MucusMucous1 @MaybeProbs @Sigma_Freud_ @ZELLKLUMPEN @BroLifeToby @randolf828 @JamesRoss117 @jaylessblame @mr_JasonW @RoryWantsToKnow @beethovengal @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 Even biological parents retain strong bodily autonomy. They can't be forced to donate marrow or a kidney to sustain their child's life. Care can be delegated (family, nannies, etc) even if they are deployed to active military duty in a foreign country. They are NOT equivalent. 2/

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@BexWords @ThomasJPinkCain @AbortionChat Your thought about silphium makes me wonder if the priest (who might have heard more gossip than the husband) might have ever tipped the scale during the ritual... but the test of faith is another possibility. A guilty woman might confess instead of taking the risk.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@BexWords @ThomasJPinkCain @AbortionChat The premise is that the ritual had a supernatural effect. Some say the ink used to write the curse would have had some copper in it.
Until modern (pro-life) translations, most people assumed it described a miscarriage. I see miscarriage as the logical interpretation.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @jaylessblame @Marmartk01 @Gotcha480754 @MucusMucous1 @MindfulDamage @IKilledUrHubris @tiffany_two @beethovengal @nbrink77 @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @RoryWantsToKnow @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 PS: Were you thinking of biological identity (fingerprints, DNA, etc) that describes us as mere organisms? We're complex moral agents with biographical lives, consciousness, and relational depth. That calls for a more nuanced framework of rights (like the UDHR), not slogans.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @jaylessblame @Marmartk01 @Gotcha480754 @MucusMucous1 @MindfulDamage @IKilledUrHubris @tiffany_two @beethovengal @nbrink77 @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @RoryWantsToKnow @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 Since identity generally means the fact of being WHO or what a PERSON or thing is, I assumed you meant identity as the evolving mosaic of your choices, memories, and relationships. Some call that your "biographical life."

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @jaylessblame @Marmartk01 @Gotcha480754 @MucusMucous1 @MindfulDamage @IKilledUrHubris @tiffany_two @beethovengal @nbrink77 @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @RoryWantsToKnow @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 The meaningful difference is at birth when the natural sedation of the uterine environment ends. With the shift to sustained wakeful sensory engagement, the newborn STARTS building its biographical identity through direct interaction with the external world.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@jaylessblame @KrispiLargo2 @mr_JasonW @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 If the dictionary exonerates parents who have SOME self-motivation for having a child, then it also exonerates a woman choosing abortion because continued pregnancy would harm her existing family. She's acting with regard for others (e.g. not disadvantaging her young children).

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@LyssAnthrope @rePro_Truth Most animals are defined entirely by their biology, but we are sentient and self-aware, so our moral identity is defined by our subjective experiences and conscious decisions. If Bob used the replicator, I'd say Bob continued his unique biographical life on Mars.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@jaylessblame @mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 I think PL said abortion is selfish and PC said having a baby is selfish. Then there are too many comments for me to track with my limited amount of time. Personally I don't think "selfish" is the right word for an individual exercising their own individual rights.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @Marmartk01 @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 The motive debate often assumes one choice is inherently purer. Yet the "selfish" label can be applied to either choice. Both decisions are exercises in reproductive autonomy and should be based on the individual's wants and needs (not on external dictates). 2/2

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @Marmartk01 @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 I didn't address "being a proud parent" (it wasn't in the referenced post). That comes after a child is born and you're proud of their progress.
But if one reason you WANT a child is so YOU can feel proud of them later, doesn't that involve some degree of self-interest? 1/

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 I was trying to figure out what thought process would lead a couple to have a child for such an abstract reason, but I found another post that may clarify it:
https://t.co/iXlOyYbGj3

[Jason @mr_JasonW]

@KrispiLargo2 @ObserverX01 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 Yes, I did earlier today and you dismissed them- to propagate our species, increase productivity, and increase tax revenue.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @Marmartk01 @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 I thought we were talking about "benefits to society" as motive for having a child. Like your earlier post:
https://t.co/iXlOyYbGj3

[Jason @mr_JasonW]

@KrispiLargo2 @ObserverX01 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 Yes, I did earlier today and you dismissed them- to propagate our species, increase productivity, and increase tax revenue.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @Marmartk01 @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 If feeling good about noble societal goals is part of the motivation, isn't that still self-gratification?
I'm not sure I'd want to be born primarily as a means to society's demographic or economic goals.
Maybe all reproductive decisions express some form of self-interest.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 How would that work? Can you explain how a couple with NO personal desire to experience parenthood for their own fulfillment would decide to do it JUST for the sake of a future newborn?
Even the drive to be so altruistic is usually rooted in some form of personal desire or value.

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 As long as no central authority tries to interfere, individuals with hope for the future will reproduce voluntarily. If NONE have hope (e.g. an oppressive society violating bodily autonomy) maybe extinction is better than life without it. Give me liberty or give me death. 2/2

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @KrispiLargo2 @RoryWantsToKnow @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @MucusMucous1 @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 I don't see how that follows from pointing out that BOTH decisions can involve self-interested motives (what some call "selfish"). In BOTH cases, people are exercising understandable self-interest and individual rights over their own bodies, futures, and families. 1/

[Random_Observer_X @ObserverX01]

@mr_JasonW @MucusMucous1 @KrispiLargo2 @Marmartk01 @beethovengal @nbrink77 @jaylessblame @tiffany_two @dcffk @Krispi_Largo @RoryWantsToKnow @FollowingForFu2 @tepid_dog_water @MJ040510 @ThatOneFFox @mackeygreyhame @randolf828 @Sigma_Freud_ @lee092687 @XTheWayTheTruth @Lgoody61 @AllTheThings79 @GojiraStompz @MindfulDamage @JamesRoss117 @ZELLKLUMPEN @Anora_gilmoree @rebachick94 @JackieFrancesca @DrUranidiot @Blue52795 @Arabell4401 @johnnyonio @McLeanBen @AnAngelADay @StitchingSin @LeeV93624 @Winning24365 @FFFlash3 @AstrelGelin @GigiInMI @JenneCameron @RamBalamm @ZyghostByChance @Saysayanaaaaa @JaxJax127 The decision to have a child can benefit no one but the parents at that moment. They want the EXPERIENCE, or societal benefits, or whatever, regardless of what the future child might want.
LATER, good parenting requires seflessness, but that's not the topic at hand.