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@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt I don't think everyone who participates has the same motives, I was more so questioning the people who's motives are specifically sexualizing the childlike/infantile aspect themselves. And I apply that to furries and anthro characters as well
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt And I realize that some of my earlier wording probably came across as generalizing the entire community as though everyone is specifically sexually attracted to childhood, that's not what I want to claim. I appreciate you explaining the underlying dynamic you're talking about!
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt Rather than claiming every person who identifies that way has the same motives. I'm concerned about the subset for whom childhood itself is the sexualized component, yk?
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt So I don't want to paint everyone under the same label with the same brush. I think there can be different motivations within the same community. I'm questioning the specific form of sexualization that can exist within it
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt If someone is deliberately sexualizing infancy, toddlerhood, childlike behavior, or childhood associated objects bc those things are what make the scenario sexually appealing to them, then I have a moral objection to that regardless of if the person participating is an adult
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt And I don't think that means those people are attracted to actual children or that they're inherently dangerous. That's not the claim I'm trying to make
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt If for some people the appeal is primarily the dynamic (surrendering control, being cared for, feeling cute, etc.) rather than being sexually attracted to childhood itself, I understand that distinction.
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt Okay, this actually helps me understand your perspective a lot better. I don't want to assume that this is what every person who identifies as a babyfur is getting out of it, bc I'm sure there's different reasons people participate.
@DIPPERSCAP@smartyprance4@alyxamutt So I don't think we're necessarily as far apart on the underlying question as it might seem. Where we differ is where we draw the moral boundary and what we consider to be the actual subject of sexualization
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt When I draw an anthropomorphic character, I'm not specifically sexualizing the fact that they're an animal. I'm sexualizing the fictional character as a whole; a character portrayed as a sapient adult person whose animal and human characteristics are both part of their appearance
@DIPPERSCAP@smartyprance4@alyxamutt An anthropomorphic character having animal characteristics doesn't automatically mean I'm sexually attracted to animals or that the animal characteristics themselves are the sexual object. I'm attracted to the character as a whole, who is portrayed as a sapient adult person.
@DIPPERSCAP@smartyprance4@alyxamutt - then that's exactly the kind of sexualization of childhood that I'm questioning. And I'm applying the same principle to my own furry artwork.
@DIPPERSCAP@smartyprance4@alyxamutt A character being labeled โ18โ or โ1,000 years oldโ doesn't automatically answer what the artwork is sexualizing. If the character is intentionally designed to resemble a young child and those childlike characteristics are part of the sexual appeal-
@DIPPERSCAP@smartyprance4@alyxamutt Adults naturally vary in appearance. My concern is when the artwork deliberately reproduces and sexualizes the physical/developmental characteristics of childhood itself.
@DIPPERSCAP@smartyprance4@alyxamutt I actually think the loli example illustrates my point rather than disproves it. I'm not saying that an adult being short, having a youthful face, or possessing one or two childlike traits makes them a child.
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt In the situation I'm criticizing, my concern is when infancy/childhood itself becomes the intended sexual appeal, yk?
@smartyprance4@DIPPERSCAP@alyxamutt So I don't think โyou draw furry pornโ disproves my argument. I think it raises a parallel question that I'm willing to apply to myself: what exactly am I sexualizing? In my artwork, my answer is the fictional anthropomorphic adult character as a whole.