@Qael2@Theyfabfication Me fascina que digas "no sabe decir que no" cuando lo que estamos discutiendo es que la chica dice que no y aun asi la otra persona no lo acepta. Creo que seria mas correcto decir que el "no" nunca es respetado, pero pensar un poco en eso seria demasiado para ti
@Qael2@Theyfabfication Si nos ponemos tecnicos, insistir seria acoso sexual, y cometer el acto seria abuso. Ya siento que estar todo el dia pegado a twitter no permita que tus neuronas se conecten
@Qael2@Theyfabfication Dime donde esta la palabra navaja en mi twit. Yo he dicho que te roben, que puede ocurrir sin armas y solo mediante intimidacion verbal
@Qael2@Theyfabfication Si alguien accede a mantener relaciones tras haber dicho que no quiere 20 veces, pero aun estableciendo limites estos se sobrepasan, este "consentimiento" no se realiza libremente, lo cual segun el codigo penal si es considerado como agresion sexual. Besos
@Qael2@Theyfabfication No, lo que es alucinante es que un adulto no quiera ser responsable de presionar y obviar las palabras y deseos de la otra persona porque no acepta un no por respuesta. La culpa nunca es del que sobrepasa los limites hasta poner entre la espada y la pared al otro, es alucinante
@Qael2@Theyfabfication Es como si me dices que si te roban en la calle es tu culpa por haberle dado el movil a otro, que te lo quedases que es tu decision. El hecho de que la situacion ejerza presion suficiente como para tener que acceder a algo que no tienes es coercion sexual, que es abuso
@Qael2@Theyfabfication "Me llevaba toda la tarde insistiendo y le dije que si para que parase". Esa persona no quiere tener sexo, pero la presion de la situacion la ha llevado a decir que si por coercion debido a que pese a haber establecido sus limites y hber dicho que no 20 veces se sigue presionando
@axismakesperfec@DIESELPRlEST@laggingmotiv@latenightael@judejon_@RasberryRazz And yes, I believe that actively ignoring the will of the other person while continuing to ask them for something they have stated they do not want and wouldn't do if you weren't nagging them, when that means sexual activity, should be reported and legally prosecuted.
@axismakesperfec@DIESELPRlEST@laggingmotiv@latenightael@judejon_@RasberryRazz "I said no but they kept asking, so I eventually said yes to get them to stop"
Would you say that person really wants to have sex?
That person has stated their boundaries and they have been disregarded. They are pressured, and their free will has been ignored. That is coercion
@axismakesperfec@DIESELPRlEST@laggingmotiv@latenightael@judejon_@RasberryRazz Take the example of convince and change the scenario.
"We finally convinced them to have dinner with us"
"I finally convinced her to have sex with me"
In sexual related activities enthusiastic consent from both parts is needed.
If 1 doesn't want it, then sex shouldn't happen
@axismakesperfec@latenightael@judejon_@RasberryRazz Its a different situation, but the basis apply. If you feel threatened or unsafe in a scenario and you agree to do something because of this, that is not true consent because you are being pressured to say yes
@laggingmotiv@axismakesperfec@latenightael@judejon_@RasberryRazz And some men absolutely scale those situations into physical or psychological harm, in which case I would say, yes, having a man talking and pressuring you into having sex is quite similar to being threatened with a physical weapon into having sex
@laggingmotiv@axismakesperfec@latenightael@judejon_@RasberryRazz I believe the argument that agreeing to do something when you don't want to means it is coercion because it didn't come out of free will. A man saying things like "babe please my balls hurt so bad, you have to have sex with me" is coercion because you can rub one out and be done