@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth There’s some overlap in the NT, yes, but by 107 AD St. Ignatius says: No bishop, no Church, no Eucharist. A priest can't ordain a priest, only a bishop can. Make bishops a convention and you lose succession and the Eucharist itself.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Krisis in Jn 3:19 is judgment AGAINST those who hate Light, not imputed righteousness. Jesus IS Light, not verdict about Light. "Let there be light" made light, didn't declare darkness to be light. You need to BECOME light by partaking, not be declared light.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Im saying you do because literally no one before the reformation believed what you do. This isn’t a mystery. There isn’t a silence. We know the Fathers spoke of a visible Church. Of Her authority. You have to cherry pick them to begin to pretend otherwise.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Christ says false teachers lead to destruction. That's objective. I don't judge Arius' final soul, that's Christ's alone. I can however say poison kills without declaring every poisoned man dead. Heresy is poison. Final judgment is God's. Hope that analogy made sense.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Ontology, not application. Necessity to fight Spanish Arians doesn't justify violating Ecumenical canon and making two causes in the Trinity. St. Pope Leo III knew that, refused the Filioque and engraved the Creed without it on St. Peter's doors.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Toledo was local synod vs Arians, not Ecumenical. Ephesus 431 forbids changing the Creed. St. Augustine says the Spirit proceeds principally from the Father.Cappadocians: from Father through Son, not from Father and Son. St.Photius replied when you exported it to Bulgaria in 800s
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Jurisdictions are just that and hence the beauty of Orthodoxy and the real Church: a bishop failing does not mean the Church failed. There is no vicar of Christ in Orthodoxy. There is no bishop of bishops either.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth The Church was revealed these truths by Christ Himself. Not everything He did is in the Bible, as St. John tells us in his Gospel. Also the Spirit revealed all truth. But still, even if you don’t believe that, theosis is all over Scripture itself. We know. You guess.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth If you live in the West and become convinced Rome is in error, as a humble follower of Christ do you look East to see if they were right all along? There were only two options: West and East. The choice is obvious. Yet Luther chose a third: himself.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth So your testimony would go something like "I thought God was distant idea. Then I learned at my baptism, God actually forgave me, adopted me, without me doing anything. It wasn't my subscription to a code, it was Him acting on me”?
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth The High Priest did. That's Christ. And He continues to, because ultimately it is Him who presides over the sacraments; that's why we kiss the priest's hand. Not replacement, same Calvary made present, for His sacrifice is eternal.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Eh? He Himself appointed gatekeepers when he gave them the keys… the man in Mark 9 cast out demons IN His name, not against apostles. Jews monopolized by blood; we steward truth He entrusted to us. Not monopoly, stewardship. Keys imply a gate and a keeper…
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Noah's Ark had one door. Not arrogance, obedience. Christ founded a visible Church you can see and join, not invisible subscriptions. Israel presumed blood saved them; we presume we must remain in the Ark. If there are many arks, "gates of hell shall not prevail" means nothing.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Never said you have zero truth, but truth isn't a buffet. If you deny Eucharist as sacrifice, apostolic succession, and add Filioque, you don't teach Him fully. The Church must be 100% or Christ's promise failed. You’re not the Church.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth If chain of custody doesn't matter, you have no Bible either, you trust the Church that canonized it. "My subscription vs yours" is relativism, not Christianity. Christ said gates of hell won't prevail against His Church, not against private subscription lists. Truth isn't a vote
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth We don't claim it. Christ granted it: "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" Matt 18:18 to His Church. You tell yourself that power died in the 1st century because it's inconvenient for you.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Name one saint before 1500 who believed sola fide, sola scriptura, denied Eucharist as sacrifice, denied prayers to saints and icons. You can't. You claim Augustine on grace but reject Augustine on Church,bishops, baptismal regeneration, and Eucharist.That's that's cherry-picking
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth Your reasons thus far have been essentially “but that’s not nice!” and “it doesn’t even matter as far as you try your best!” My Jesus is not a hippie who teaches overly sentimental "let's all just get along" unity. Sorry.
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth I have told you multiple times now you do not have the fullness, but part. 0 would be nothing, not part. You sure like being offended it seems. Wokeism has infected your institution after all so I shouldn’t be surprised should I now :P
@emperorbma@bonesforsales@economic_eth The Church is a Divine institution because a Christ is Her High Priest and the Spirit guides Her and protects Her from error and death. If you want to believe otherwise, then you definitely don’t trust Christ’s promises which raises the question: do you have actual faith in Him?