Let's list the arguments I've seen: it wasn't a proper lecture; nobody was there; only 5 were there; it was a book promotion; he's a TERF, he's a Catholic, he's an associate of some obscure Harvard Professor; it doesn't matter; it does matter; it's a grift; he was paid to do it;
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins Those words were read out in the lecture itself. You know that. Pretending the delivery context is irrelevant is just a dodge. The issue is not whether the quote existed on X; it is whether an academic event should be used as the vehicle for it.
@CaraPac46808618@runthinkwrite@UniofOxford@WilliamJHague No. It is free speech for everyone. It is not a licence to hijack someone else’s lecture and then whine that people objected to the sabotage. But I've made the same point several times and you seem unable or unwilling to understand the distinction.
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins Even if they are what you believe. They are still insults when delivered in that setting, at that time, for that purpose. The issue is not whether you can dress them up as ‘truth’; it is whether an academic event should be turned into a denunciation platform.
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins "...he denies trans people their identities, argues for exclusion, he associates heavily with transphobic pressure groups... he masks his transphobia under a thin veneer of academia..." Sounds insulting and derogatory to me & I imagine it would to anyone with no skin in the game.
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins ? That seems to be an answer to a different question, not the one I asked you. You mentioned that context was important. What is the context that would make insults and derogatory comments acceptable to you?
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins OK. So what context makes it acceptable? That you agree with the comments? Or is it something more principled than that?
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins I see. It is legitimate because you agree with the political aims of those that disrupted the lecture. Got it. Very principled.
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins Your personal preferences are not the norm in Oxford. How do you feel about insults and derogatory remarks being made about you before the talk. Don't you expect respect for common norms of civility?
@rejserin@FaredaVandeKaap@RichardDawkins I chaired one myself earlier this year, as it happens for a trans colleague who had just written a book. If anyone had tried to interfere with their right to give their lecture to those who wished to listen I would not have been impressed. In fact I would have rung university
Just seen someone over in the other place invoke the "inherent violence of the state" as a justification for random people interfering with public lectures by people they don't like. Takes me right back to the 70s. They'll be quoting Althusser next.
2) Employers should not collude with students or staff to enable such abridgment.
There are people with Chairs on here who pretend these simple principles are either outrageous or incomprehensible.