@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex You’re proving my point. Jesus could’ve defended the Mosaic penalty. Instead, he challenged the accusers and chose mercy. Your legal technicalities don’t erase Christ’s moral example. Perhaps address the theological significance of his actions instead of resorting to insults.
@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex Jesus faced a demand for execution under Mosaic law. He chose mercy, not death. Pretending that’s irrelevant while citing Aquinas is cherry-picking. And your personal ranking of theologians doesn’t override the current Catechism. That’s not how Catholic doctrine works.
@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex The Catechism explicitly calls the death penalty “inadmissible” because it attacks human dignity. And Christ’s response to those demanding an execution was “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” (John 8:7). Why privilege Aquinas over both?
@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex Aquinas defended both the principle AND executing heretics. I cited that to challenge your appeal to his authority, not disprove capital punishment outright. That’s not a motte-and-bailey. And centuries of precedent don’t invalidate doctrinal development.
@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex Aquinas argued BOTH that the state may execute criminals and that heretics deserve execution. Pointing out both isn’t a motte-and-bailey. It’s examining his actual reasoning. You don’t get to invoke his authority, then dismiss his conclusions when inconvenient.
@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex You cited Aquinas as an authority. I pointed out what else he advocated. Now suddenly his views are irrelevant? Convenient. You don’t get to cherry-pick medieval theology while ignoring the current Catechism. And throwing in xenophobic insults doesn’t strengthen your argument.
@LemmyEnjoyer@CLEjfh86@Sargon_of_Akkad@Pontifex Aquinas also supported executing heretics. Should Catholics follow that too? Citing medieval theologians as if Church teaching were frozen in the 13th century just shows you don’t understand doctrinal development. Try reading the current Catechism.
Could you pls clarify @LindnerCtrHope:
1. Has James Talarico been to your facility at all at any point in the last 9 days?
2. Was the facility operator who said he had been there mistaken? Will you allow her to speak publicly?
@bachman_le40793@_BikiniBottoms@JonnyRoot_@Pontifex I’m not disputing the Trinity. Acts 5 says they fell down and died. Even granting divine judgment, how does God’s authority to take life establish the state’s authority to execute prisoners? It doesn’t. You’re conflating divine judgment with human punishment.
@bachman_le40793@_BikiniBottoms@JonnyRoot_@Pontifex Where does Acts 5 say Christ killed them? It doesn’t. And even if their deaths were divine judgment, God taking a life isn’t the same as authorizing the state to execute people. You’re confusing divine authority with human authority. That’s a pretty fundamental distinction.