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Epictetus frequently mocked students who could memorize and quote famous philosophers word-for-word but failed to apply critical thought or virtuous action in their own lives.
'Will I not follow the footsteps of my predecessors? I will indeed use the old road, but if I find a shorter and flatter one, I will clear that one. Those who made these discoveries before us are not our masters, but our guides.' — Seneca, Moral Letters to Lucilius
Many individuals usually regard certain people as authorities. Hold every word true without question and do not think for themselves. It's disappointing.
@Mathew__Carter Homosexuality itself does not generate internal discord; rather, psychological conflict arises from internalized social stigma, self-condemnation or trying to force an inherent orientation to match an incompatible belief. When accepted without hostility, internal harmony follows.
I personally believe if you are sexually attracted to men then embrace it.
Epictetus taught that fighting or denying what has been given to you by nature creates internal conflict (tarachē).
@Mathew__Carter Humans can discipline their choices and actions, but forcing innate human nature to fit an external ideal creates friction rather than genuine alignment.
Living in accordance with nature means living rationally and authentically.
I am straight man and married. My arguments on Homosexuality is basically this:
Fundamentally you was born this way, sexuality itself is a indifferent rather than deny that you have this sexual preference you should be who are but practice self-control just like a straight man.
@Mathew__Carter To force an unchosen, natural biological trait into an insincere procreative union requires deceit and internal discord (stasis). That directly violates Truth and Justice the foundational virtues required to maintain human society.
@Mathew__Carter Procreation is necessary for humanity as a species, but Stoicism never demands that every single individual participate in every preferred indifferent (proēgmena). Yet Epictetus remained childless, and Stoics gladly embraced poverty or bodily infirmity to uphold virtue.
@spergzaratustra Virtue resides in the rational soul, which has no sex. A committed same-sex partnership practicing loyalty, self-control, and mutual support cultivates virtue in the exact same way. Hercules had many male lovers and practiced virtue.
@spergzaratustra Demanding that someone deny an unchosen biological reality to live a lie such as forcing themselves into an insincere heterosexual union or repressing their capacity for prosocial love directly violates the virtue of Justice.
@spergzaratustra "Every virtuous man denies and masters those desires that are opposed to his fundamental nature (reason)."
This smuggles in a massive, unproven assumption that same-sex attraction inherently opposes reason.
@spergzaratustra Sexual orientation being born with a specific biological wiring is an unchosen external condition, exactly like one's height, eye color, or left-handedness. Because sexual orientation is unchosen, being gay is not a moral vice, nor is being heterosexual a virtue.
@Mathew__Carter Evaluating a human strictly as a reproductive mechanism misapplies the Stoic concept of Nature, which prioritizes the cultivation of reason, social harmony, and duty to the Cosmopolis above mere biological function.
@Mordant42655174 With all available information today, if two consenting adults are homosexual there's nothing you can do and being homo isn't same as pedo. You are delusional.. fundamentally people are born this way.
Homosexuals can practice virtue just like straight people.