I don't think I disagree with you, persay. I think what Kris did with that victim of Shawn Bolz was an abrupt turn, but my point is that there was still an extended process between Kris and the victim before that happened.
Being referred to the head of inner healing and deliverance and later forcibly dragged to the transformation center because you asked your teacher a question, read the books they suggested, and then tried to follow up with them because you didn't think the books answered your question is a drastic and dramatic escalation; it is questionable to me that staff would do something like that without taking intermediate steps if they had a problem with it; it is an outsized response to a small, supposed "offense." I haven't seen or heard of Bethel staff being unreasonable at that level. But to be clear, I'm not discounting the possibility that it really could have happened. In this case, though, more corroborating accounts of that level of unreasonable escalation would be helpful. I listened to Lindsay Davis' story when it came out on Cultish a number of years ago. I'll have to look it up again to see what you're referencing specifically.
@farmingandJesus Lol. It's definitely not a moral song (it's about lust) but in the Boss's defense the phrase "Little girl" used to be used in rock & roll songs to refer to women. Like "Caught Up in You" by 32 Special.
"Your church"? Respectfully, when did I ever claim to attend Bethel? In fact, can you even point to where I spoke positively of that ministry? I've done neither of those things. You are jumping to conclusions with no evidentiary basis.
I'm all for victim advocacy and calling abusers to justice. And I do care for victims, but the first part of caring for a victim is taking their claims seriously, which means you first assess the veracity of their claims. That is what a pursuit of justice requires. Neither unquestioning acceptance of their testimony nor outright dismissal of it would be righteous. To verify whether someone is truly a victim does not demonstrate a lack of care for them but is in fact the only way to truly care. That is not a "sickness." It's called biblical justice. If I care about victims, I must approach things in a biblical way.
@tomscott99@MikeWingerii I wasn't talking about the duration of her time at Bethel. I was talking about how quickly the staff became rude and cruel to her within each of her individual interactions.
@CourierTheCute@MikeWingerii What part of my response lacked decency? I said I believed her story but questioned whether certain things were being portrayed truthfully. Are you saying that if one does not unquestionably accept every aspect of someone's testimony they are not being decent?
Saying I believe her story but I question whether some of her characterizations of Bethel staff are accurate makes me spiritually sick? Asking if there are corroborating witnesses who can verify some of her claims means I am doing just what her abusers did? What a wicked thing to say!
Such emotive nonsense and untruthful equivocation minimizes the heinousness of actual abusers.
Sure. And I myself have heard firsthand accounts from trusted people of Bethel students accusing others of having the "religious spirit" and minimizing sexuality immorality. Like I said in my response, I'm not questioning that some version of her story happened.
But the way she describes the suddenness and severity of the staff members actions vilifies them in a way that is questionable. Bethel is full of people who are kind, loving, and yet deceived. They usually don't lash out in cruelty or outright dismissal at the very onset of concerns being addressed. Kris Vallaton's actions with one of Shawn Bolz's victims I think is very instructive of their culture. If you remember, Kris was kind at first, but eventually told the guy to stop communicating with him. But he wasn't cold or mean at onset. That's more in line with the culture and how leaders act at Bethel I would say.
@BMcGrewvy Bethel, that's not an astute reading of the lyrics. There's a whole stanza where romance is considered & found wanting. The song is about longing & the search for a spiritually satisfied heart. Try "Mysterious Ways" for a song using religious language to describe romantic love.
When my grandfather, born to former slaves in Camp Nelson, found himself alone at 13, he left home to journey north for work. It was a Kentucky winter during segregation, and the barn he found was the only shelter he had.
Kentucky was one of the more violent states in the union, and when the white son of the farmer who owned the barn discovered him, my grandfather did not know if he would be fed, ran off, or beaten.
Instead, the boy, also 13, began secretly bringing him food every night. They formed a friendship.
Eventually, time came for my grandfather to move on and he went to Detroit and then to Chicago, where he worked, raised a family, and joined the Civil Rights movement.
Years later, as he approached retirement, he realized he had no proof of his age. So he packed my father into the car and drove from Chicago back to that farm in Kentucky. After a day on the road, they parked and walked down a long driveway toward the farmhouse where an old white man sat on the porch. The man squinted at my grandfather and said, “Is that you?” My father watched as the two men hugged for a long time.
They all drove to the courthouse where the old man vouched for my grandfather who finally got the papers that he needed to retire.
Here’s a simple way to get unstuck when you’re worried, overwhelmed, or overthinking a decision.
Ask yourself one question:
What kind of thing am I dealing with?
Most issues fall into one of three categories.
1. Settled Things
These are things that have already been decided.
Your birth family.
Your nation of origin.
Your height.
Your past decisions.
Your upbringing.
Things you did.
Things done to you.
Some of these things were decided by your own past actions. Others were decided by God’s providence. As Paul says in Acts 17:26, God determined our appointed times and the boundaries of our dwelling place.
You can’t go back and change these things.
So the question is not, “How do I undo this?”
The question is, “Does this have any bearing on what I should do now?”
If not, leave it alone. Don’t spend your life fighting settled things.
2. Action Things
These are things you have some real control over.
Your diet.
Your exercise.
Your spending.
Your work ethic.
Your attitude.
Your friendships.
Your theological knowledge.
Your presentability.
Your habits.
Your skills.
These are your controllables.
You may not control everything about your health, finances, relationships, or future. But you usually control more than you think.
So if the issue falls here, don’t overthink it.
Take direct action.
Start small if you have to. Make the call. Go on the walk. Open the Bible. Apologize. Apply for the job. Pay the bill. Clean the room. Do the next faithful thing.
3. Prayer Things
These are things outside your direct control, but not outside God’s control.
The economy.
The weather.
The housing market.
The availability of a suitable spouse.
Other people’s choices.
Timing.
Open doors.
Closed doors.
You can’t force these things. You can’t grab the steering wheel of providence.
But God can act.
So you take indirect action through prayer. You ask. You wait. You prepare. You remain faithful. You do what you can do and trust God with what only He can do.
So ask yourself:
Is this settled?
Then accept it and learn from it.
Is this actionable?
Then do something.
Is this outside my control?
Then pray and trust God.
This is a simple framework, and yes, it’s a little reductionistic. But that’s the point. The goal is not to explain every complexity of life. The goal is to get you unstuck.
Most people waste too much energy trying to change the past, control what belongs to God, or pray about things they simply need to obey.
So categorize the issue.
Then act accordingly.
Accept what is settled.
Act on what is yours.
Pray over what belongs to God.
Sadly, there will probably be a whole contingent of his followers who believe this was digital manipulation that somehow made its way on to his own broadcast and his own social media accounts.
NYT: "You've been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist"
Tucker Carlson: "I have not said that"
NYT: You said, "Here's a leader mocking the Gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of Gods, and exalting himself above them. Could this be the Antichrist?"
TC: "I actually did not say 'could this be the Antichrist?'"
NYT: ***plays clip of him saying exactly that***
TC: "I don't know where that comes from, but I know those words never left my lips"
Erika Kirk seen crying: “She’s so performative! Look at those fake tears!”
Erika Kirk seen not crying: “Wow looks like she’s moved on pretty fast! Why isn’t she more upset??”
Erika Kirk seen laughing: “What’s so funny? Her husband just died!”
Erika Kirk seen frowning: “Why’s she scowling like that? What’s she so angry about???”
Erika Kirk seen existing in public: “She should be home with her kids! She’s abandoned them!”
Erika Kirk not seen existing in public: “Where is she? What is she hiding??? Why is she being so suspiciously quiet????”
Erika Kirk seen eating pancakes: “Look at this stupid bimbo eating pancakes! Too good for waffles huh?”
Erika Kirk seen eating waffles: “Really INTERESTING that she chose waffles of all things! Kind of suspicious if you ask me!”
@dalepartridge The Bible says "You shall rise up before the grayheaded and honor the aged" (Lev. 19:32) but you use a man's age to revile and mock him and imply to all your followers they should disregard James because of his age. Vile, arrogant, and pathetically immature.
The current anti-Israel and even anti-Jewish sentiment online is a social contagion, no different than transgenderism or autism before it.
Of course, there is actually a condition known as gender dysphoria. But every family in Hollywood didn't suddenly and coincidentally have at least one child with gender dysphoria at the exact same time by natural processes.
And of course there is actually a condition known as autism. But every family in Manhattan didn't suddenly and coincidentally have at least one child with autism at the exact same time by natural processes.
You aren't an Israel skeptic, and you didn't start "noticing." You were told, and shown by interested parties, and you were rewarded with attention and dopamine by the tellers and showers.
And as with every social contagion, what you have been told and shown is an overwhelming quantity of selectively chosen half-truths -- or full-truths with half-context.
You believe you are a free thinker, but when every "free thinker" arrives at the same conclusion at the exact same time... well, the thinking isn't as free as you believe it is.
Wow. Tell me you’ve never played chess without telling me. What an absolute abomination if that’s a real match. As a player, it’s legitimately upsetting.
The pieces are scattered around with zero regard for legality or logic. No starting position, no coherent middlegame structure, no endgame principles. Pawn structure is obliterated for no reason. Kings are exposed with no safety or pawn shield. Rooks are sitting useless with no open files. Bishops stranded on wrong color complexes. Knights with no outposts, no purpose, no plan..
Not even a recognizable frozen position from a real game, even if it’s meant to be decorative. It’s just slop that would be thrown out in any FIDE or USCF match.
If you don’t get it by now, NXR dorks posture themselves as intellectuals, but their “intellect” has all the coherence of their chessboard: random nonsense, unstructured, and immediately self-discrediting.
How anyone could take these guys seriously is beyond me.
Also H&M called from 2006, they want their hipster maroon pants back Joel.