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@TomWilsonHorses@Tinky47flat I wonder whether average log earnings per runner might provide a more robust sire ranking, as it would be less sensitive to outliers and could better reflect overall sire quality than average earnings per runner.
@1844DerbyFraud Mitochondrial haplotypes tell us where a horseโs maternal line came from. They do not tell us, by themselves, how fast a horse will run.
For performance prediction, we should focus on the much larger contribution of the nuclear genome and validated phenotypic data.
@ciaranodeorain To add another perspective on the role of country of training, the paper by Sobotkovรก et al. (2023) may be of interest.
https://t.co/gk1eJHUh0B
@ciaranodeorain Yes, exactly. I was thinking about the size and composition of the underlying populations. The rise of British 5yos is fascinating, but it would be useful to separate training effects, population changes and possible shifts in genetic selection.
A valuable perspective from @TheTBA_GB Chairman Philip Newton on how data and technology will shape the future of Thoroughbred breeding.
https://t.co/cpzCQ1KnKq
@TrevDonaldson Interesting idea.
Pedigree analysis can identify expected relationships, but โautosomal reshuffling of key ancestors in the โbottom halfโ sounds more like a biological narrative than a validated method. Evidence that this approach improves prediction accuracy would be valuable.
@byronrogers73 This paper shows complex ML adds little over linear regression in predicting Thoroughbred yearling prices.
The bottleneck may not be better algorithms, but better predictors. Objective genetic evaluations could add information beyond pedigree reputation.
@pedigrees360@reredevaux The 81% statistic is notable, but depends on the base rate: how many horses were rated highly overall, and how many became Derby winners? Otherwise itโs hard to separate predictive power from a broad selection.
@SWSireLine I have reservations about the Rasmussen Factor. I canโt find scientific evidence that it reliably increases the chances of producing top racehorses.
For practical breeders, it reads more like an interesting pattern in retrospectively selected lists than a proven predictive tool.
@VictorSheahan Thanks again for your professional evaluation, Victor โ broadly in agreement. On Ghaiyyath, I see less reason to remain on the fence given the data to date. Also keen to see how the first runners by Naval Crown will perform on the racecourse.
@VictorSheahan Great, thorough analysis on Coolmore sires.
My Top 3 young, unproven sires (all max โฌ20k) based on pedigree & own-performance results: Henry Longfellow, Henri Matisse and Blackbeard.
Big risks, potential big rewards โ all three bring talent, potential and a touch of danger!
Panellist Julian Dollar correctly notes that book placement of lots at the yearling sales is dominated by their sires. Iโd add that giving the damโs genetics due weight rewards smart breeders, boosts sales returns, and improves genetic diversity in the top segment.
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@KatyMowat Elite imports can boost genetic progress in India, but true competitiveness will mainly come when a higher genetic trend closes โ or at least significantly narrows โ the gap with overseas populations. Iโm curious to see how Indian breeders will optimise their breeding programme.
@MAXBloodstock On pedigree alone, Iโd also have placed Lot 644 at the top of the Goffs foal sale. Had I factored in other criteria the ranking might have shifted โ and whether she proves the wisest pinhooking investment remains to be seen. The yearling market will have the final say.
Best of luck to all pinhookers at the Goffs Foal Sale this week.
Itโs a challenging market, but thereโs still real value out there for those who look closely. If youโre seeking informed, data-driven advice on finding it, Iโm here to help. Have a great week at Goffs! ๐โจ
โAs a pinhooker, I always try to get value, but the breeder also deserves to get paid and there are few better places to sell a foal than @Goffs1866.โ
@BrianSheerin91 speaks to pinhookers as the foal sales kick off. https://t.co/BvSQXVgTOf
@Cosmotcb1@TheIrishField Yes, at the end of the day, the proof of a stallionโs genetic quality is in the performance of his offspring. That said, this poll focuses on the information available at the time stallions are retired, when we donโt yet know how their progeny will perform.
After reading Mark Costelloโs article in @TheIrishField, on the economics of the stallion game, Iโm curious: must a stallion always be a Group 1 winner to become a successful sire? (Or can a strong pedigree outweigh his race record?)