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@26thAndGuad perhaps he is wondering why you would stab a man before throwing him into the ocean?

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 Also given how the game keep trying to guilt trip you over the people you kill the game itself is acting like mass murder is meaningful in the apocalypse, otherwise the very premise that anything wrong is being done by anyone loses all weight.

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 Because the very premise of the discussion is how Ellie sparing abby is bad and unsatisfying based on ludo narrative dissonance and your counter example is to separate gameplay and story, when even just with story Ellie is a highly prolific murderer, leaving the fault intact

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 Why are you acting like her desire to kill and her revenge quest are separate? Her motive to get revenge is the want to kill people, and the fact that she is heading to the place she knows abby lives in search of her is pretty obvious proof that she wants a fight with her.

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 They happened because Ellie wanted revenge and a variety of misadventures occurred so that conveniently she could argue self defence every single time. The fact she's seeking out a fight the entire time kind of undermines the idea of self defence

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@ElAvatarTang @kroquegg_overon Are you serious right now

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 I mean yeah even with only factoring in what you said she fits the criteria and kills 13 people, 14 if you include mel's baby, and only hesitates when it's the one person who deserves to die the most because the plot says so

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 So she's *only* a prolific serial killer even if you low ball it

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@KYszczynski @korenchkin Our bronze age is collapsing is, the sea people one isn't

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@TheBanananaught @drlisastein @Sam_Fox23 Lev is a small child who just got crucified with nowhere to go odds are Lev will die within hours

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@PrometheanHost @Sam_Fox23 'Canonically' no if you ignore the gameplay she doesn't kill hundreds, instead only killing dozens

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@MKryvohub @k4l4shn1k0v34 unless, of course, you're trying to artistically depict said commies in the army. Then knowing what they looked like is probably very important

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@poison666666 @ravi__ravioli @uptown_schizo @eimmaginary inability to protect their own citizens.

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@poison666666 @ravi__ravioli @uptown_schizo @eimmaginary The state's capacity to uphold contracts in its development comes after and is typically seen as secondary to its ability to enforce peace. No country is called a failed state for failing to contain epidemics or pandemics, yet Somalia and yemen are failed states for their...

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@t_time33 @ravi__ravioli @uptown_schizo @eimmaginary those who are offered it are rarely those who are in a competent headspace to be able to make a rational decision, and thus as a system predicated on the consent of the participant it has a fundamental flaw to it.

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@RedPanda_why of confining someone away against their will, does this mean all prison sentences are actually just kidnappings?

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@RedPanda_why For 3, two things sharing a basic motivation does not make them equivalent. Rape and consensual sex are both motivated by the desire to have sex, this does not render all sex as rape. Likewise kidnapping someone and sending then to prison share the same motive...