@FallenTtv@SaffronOlive Neither Jace nor Labman do the same thing as Thoracle. You have to have an additional "draw a card" effect to win, slowing a prominent 2 card combo. I don't follow your points and would like to learn.
@nuhre_ Some of the truest crimes from this are the erosion of our labels for games. It happens here, with roguelikes, etc. The more that people use labels, the moee they make them less rigid until there is no distinction.
Fussed about this a few days ago regarding -punk vs -tech books.