ProfessorT🇺🇲

Certified rambler, uncertified professor

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

Many here are trying to argue about the right or wrong while missing my point here. I'm meaningfully convinced that men and women cannot be friends without either catching feelings or getting burned. A lot of grief could be saved by recognizing this fact and acting accordingly

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

The woman in the video claims to be aromatic/asexual (real until it's not) and the guy caught feelings and decided to try anyways

The correct conclusion here is that the whole situation could have been avoided if they weren't friends because there is no winning situation here

[Grapps🧃🐒 @LargestLad]

let me guess, you get along extremely well, trust each other, tell each other everything, do everything together, and when the dude developed feelings for you, you drop him instantly and tell him to fuck off

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@Jaylen61968630 Aroace is a temporary label that can be tossed aside as soon as she finds someone she wants. It's not an identity, it's a status indicator

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@Seano299 A toast is done as a celebration of other people, not the food. No one toasts to themselves while they're eating alone. What's a better translation if not "thanks for the meal?"

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

I am not going to accept these absurd leaps in logic of the English language from a western transplant to Japan

You do not care about anything except as it pertains to sticking it to people like me who actually have values

"Internet" is of course referring to networks, which draws from the modern meaning of a series of lines of communication. Though the original meaning was referring to something which creates the physical form of a net, no one uses that in its context now. Likewise with logs. You appeal to etymology to promote falsehoods

If you had actually read what I said, I acknowledge that most modern Japanese people do not use "itadakimasu" in the spiritual sense, instead as a form of manners, and yet the literal meaning of the word still exists. Likewise with "bless you," which you tried to use as a gotcha, despite the modern usage being distanced from its spiritual origins in a time of great mortal crisis in Europe, the words "bless you" still mean "bless you."

Words have meaning. The meanings of words carry intent, and expressing that intent across languages is the job of a translator. Separating origin and tradition from present function is how language ceases to have meaning and we end up with the bastardized localizations which have plagued western otaku culture for decades now

As far as I am concerned, in a linguistic sense and in the sense of being an occupant of the country of Japan, you are no better than a parasite

[zaqqq @zaqqq337874]

@ProfessorT_ My point is, origins are meaningless to translation. "Internet" comes from idea of interconnectedness like a fishing net. Does the fishing net have any relevance to the term "Internet"?

Logs used to be written on actual tree logs. Is that relevant to translation of the term?

[Kipling @sergeantkipling]

Viziers Vs. Concubines

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@Seano299 Grace is the closest equivalent to itadakimasu in the west in terms of function and meaning. You're being disingenuous by ignoring where I acknowledge that the modern usage of the phrase does not often carry the original spiritual significance but is still used

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

I am not going to accept these absurd leaps in logic of the English language from a western transplant to Japan

You do not care about anything except as it pertains to sticking it to people like me who actually have values

"Internet" is of course referring to networks, which draws from the modern meaning of a series of lines of communication. Though the original meaning was referring to something which creates the physical form of a net, no one uses that in its context now. Likewise with logs. You appeal to etymology to promote falsehoods

If you had actually read what I said, I acknowledge that most modern Japanese people do not use "itadakimasu" in the spiritual sense, instead as a form of manners, and yet the literal meaning of the word still exists. Likewise with "bless you," which you tried to use as a gotcha, despite the modern usage being distanced from its spiritual origins in a time of great mortal crisis in Europe, the words "bless you" still mean "bless you."

Words have meaning. The meanings of words carry intent, and expressing that intent across languages is the job of a translator. Separating origin and tradition from present function is how language ceases to have meaning and we end up with the bastardized localizations which have plagued western otaku culture for decades now

As far as I am concerned, in a linguistic sense and in the sense of being an occupant of the country of Japan, you are no better than a parasite

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@Seano299 Please do elaborate on how the side advocating for artistic integrity of language is being disingenuous, cause I can name plenty of examples for the pro-localation side

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@Seano299 You failing to understand what I said is not me being disingenuous

[Kitty @TheRealKitty019]

The correct translation for 「いただきます」 "itadakimasu" in a secular context is "thanks for the food". In an at all religiously-charged context, you can and sometimes should add whatever the characters' god is.

The reason for this, is it is a cultural custom born from offering a prayer before a meal. The direct analogue for Christian cultures is saying grace and it even mirrors our own cultural gestures. Any form of quick thanks will make it immediately comprehensible to Western viewers, and deliberately avoiding the comparable cultural ties (especially if the story involves White characters or is set in the West) because "well it's secular now" at best misses the forest for the trees and at worse, is deliberate vandalism of Japanese culture.

Like, for example, the widely reviled "rub a dub dub thanks for the grub". That is cultural vandalism, it reduces a genuinely meaningful gesture of cosmic thanks to a fucking joke.

My final note is that on the subject of 'perfect linguistic translations', they almost never exist. Ironically, Japanese to English is one of the easier ones because of how modernized Japanese behaves and how much the two languages have borrowed from one another. Similarly, Dutch or German to English is also relatively easy, as they share root languages though the latter has some acquired grammatical differences. All the Indo-European language group languages have an easier time translating between themselves, much like the Romantic Language Group languages can translate between themselves relatively easily as well.

The reason why this is difficult is beyond the grammar or words; it's the culture and worldview. The Elizabethan translators of Homer's epics, from Greek to English, debated heavily whether to anglicize the story or to remain as close to original as possible. Ultimately they settled on the latter, whilst Victorian translators applied the former theory. This is, in essence, the localization vs translation argument.

So, to bring this back to the subject at hand; many Western fans who actually know a little bit about Japanese and can therefor understand the original voice acting are staunchly against localizations, primarily because localizers are retarded and openly vandalize the works they're tasked with handling out of contempt and vanity. When the Umamusu translators localize "Merry Christmas" as "Happy Holidays", that is nothing but vandalism. The same is true for "rub a dub dub thanks for the grub"; it is vandalism inflicted on Japanese culture, portraying a culturally significant gesture as being contemptible.

This is why people, myself included here, advocate for direct literal translations. Yes, some things are going to be lost in the sauce and will not make sense. Yes, that is better and preferable to letting works worthy of genuine respect get vandalized by a bunch of self-important English majors who couldn't cut it as actual writers (and that's with the entire English literature industry trying to prop them up!).

When in doubt, always use the direct, literal translation. Never use meme speak or something degrading or "funny" in place of what normally reads as dry text.

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@The_Mun11 Might need to make plans for myself...

[ExamplePrime @ExamplePrime]

The first thing you guys did was drive an artist off Bluesky for drawing Malfoid.
The second was tell everyone it was sexist for reference Femoid.
The third was you realized the cancel campaign wasn't working so you called it irrelevant and compared it to Petra Parker, saying it was larger.
During all of this, multiple screencaps were taken of people saying they wanted to shoot people who liked Malfoid, that it was inferior to Drarry and when it was finally too large to ignore...
You claimed it was all a porn fetish and no-one actually cared about the Harry Potter stories or the characters.
FINALLY you come crawling back to try and reclaim it with a new name, plus immediately using it as a bludgeon for politics.

Like all things title after you are constantly cool hatred, constantly attempting to rewrite history and always trying to make everything overtly political when even an overtly political crowd deliberately makes something non-political.

None of this matters to you people however, as you are Grey Goo. You are Slime mobs. You are every position at once. You do not care about principal says you have none, you only care about power and control. So you will lie and cheat and accuse others of what you are doing.

Kindly, go fuck yourself.

[Pub @PubWanghaf]

“For the last 4 hours, they've been trying to sink the SS United States by filling it with water.

It's been seemingly ineffective. The ship was supposed to sink hours ago.”

[planefag @planefag]

To all my Japanese bros who were concerned about piracy: this fellow has been writing his story for free, in exchange for only donations, for a while now. He just said that "you know, if I got enough donations, I could stop working three jobs and write full time."

His readers put up the money.

Please believe me when I say we really do care about our creators.

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

Very important

[DiamondBags @MrDiamondBags]

I’m overdue for a brain dead stare into a fire pit

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@KiwiNamelessOne You overestimate the agency of the average person, let alone the average western anime fan

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

Itadakimasu meaning, "I humbly receive (this meal)," functionally makes it akin to grace if you were westernizing it. It does has deeper meaning, regardless of how modern Japanese think of the phrase in a spiritual sense or simply a matter of manners. The point is that much went into getting this meal which they are about to eat, and it's a matter of showing appreciation. To the people who made it, to the farmers and animals, to God or what have you

"Thank you for the meal" or simply "itadakimasu" would suffice. The rest are awkward or over the top. Both work in a context of a character being alone or in a group, and changing it depending on setting misses the meaning of the original phrase, in my opinion

[NicoHolic777 @nicoholic777]

God this is frustrating.
Multiple ways to translate いただきます...and honestly none of them worked.
- "thanks for the food" is awkward.
- "bon appetit/let's eat/tuck in" implies there's another person with you which is not always the case
- Saying "grace" adds religiousness when

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@FNbunchonumbers Even still, "thank you for the meal" implies gratitude, if only for the food itself. I use the grace comparison for its original meaning

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@zaqqq337874 "Bless you" originated as a common saying around the time of the Black Plague and was meant sincerely in the spiritual context. Over time it has lost its meaning, but that's what is literally being said

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

@KDJ_edits @AndyKavna I completely understood what the original thread was talking about while also calling out OP being totally dense about the issue

[ProfessorT🇺🇲 @ProfessorT_]

You write out this whole thread about the importance of context and the skill needed to accurately translate from one language to another

And then defend the localization of a quirky character saying memes from like 6 years ago when they were just being bubbly in the original

[Andy. @AndyKavna]

To "just translate the words" does a huge disservice to the writer who worked hard and chose their words, phrasing, sentence structure etc carefully. If you actually respect creators, you should want translators to avoid literally translations like the plague.