@Emeneks The sign of the cross touches four points. 1 for father, 1 for son, 2 for holy Spirit. These images show the process and it is not a representation of the three persons in the Trinity.
@ChristySimm23@Xtopher_Uzo John 20: 22-23 : Jesus tells his disciples that whoever sins you forgive are forgiven and whoever sins you retain are retained. Why did Jesus give power to them. Wasn't his blood enough. You don't understand the continuity of the work of Jesus through his church.
@yorubachic@Profmosun Sis. I encountered the post on YouTube. I have been dragging him since. I mentioned that this what happens when you get your history from Chat GPT
@TAnugwolu@Tobore83257131@PenTitan Even the text you shared asserts Tertullian isn't a more credible than iraneus. Iraneus record is more credible, written about 180AD. He was a student of Polycarp, who was a student of John the apostle. His records are also the earliest. Linus is mentioned in 2:Timothy 4:21
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan She is not dead. The primary promise of Jesus for all believers is eternal life, and we share in Christ resurrection. Mary all all the saints are alive in heaven and fully conscious
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan We all have access to God the father because of Jesus. When Mary interceeds, for us she does so on account of her special realtionship her son. Jesus is still the end point of all prayers. So we ask Mary to pray for us, just as you ask your Pastors to pray for you.
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan About the first born argument thing
Exodus: 13:2 "Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb. Firstborn staus is legal and ceremonial, not a statement about later siblings. Jesus was the first and only son of mary.
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan Psalm 110:1 The lord said unto my lord until sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
By your logic, after Jesus's enemies are conquered he stops sitting at the right hand of the father.
By that same logic, Michal had children after she died
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan I have explained it. I said that "until" as used in the bible explains what happened until a certain point and doesn't mean that anything happened after. To butreess my point, I gave example of other places where until was used in the bible and which we know nothing changed after
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan Anyone can interceede. Moses interceed when God wanted to punish the children of Israel, so did Abraham interceed on behalf of sodom and Gomorah. In the same way, we ask mary, the mother of the word made flesh to interceed and pray for us. I also interceed for people I love.
@Tobore83257131@PenTitan Only the catholic church and the orthodox church can claim to have apostolic succession, an unbroken line of succession form the apostles. We can count from Peter to the current pope.
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan Psalm 110:1 The lord said unto my lord, sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool
2 Sam 6:23: Therefore michal had no child until the day of her death.
Till (heos) simply marks what happened up to a certain point. Doesn't mean anything happened after.
@Ofonimes@Kopite_mad@PenTitan Also on the issue of asking saint to interceede for us, the bible speaks of the consciousness of those who have died in christ. Moses and Elijah had died, but Jesus still spoke to them during the transfigurstion. Matt: 17 1-3 ......