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@bakooljaja Why do you even care so much? Holy fuck

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@freckxiwow Well ... isn't wow forever meant to be for everyone? lmao.

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@xTimeweaver Its for people who wanna play a version of classic with new content. Idk why people are so confused about this. If that's what you wanna play then that's great. If people wanna play retail or classic then go play those.

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@IDFlolicon @geoffkeighley Yes. Fuck em.

Should have made good games instead of DEI slop

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@Hub_Libertarian @TheZachkAttack Ofc its a seperate product. Its Classic+ not Classic.

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@arthitsaengsai1 @TheZachkAttack Just because everyone can't agree on everything doesn't mean there isn't a consensus on anything. Most classic players would agree that most things that reduce social friction is just flatout bad.

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@Hub_Libertarian @TheZachkAttack Rewatch Blizzcon. Literally referred to as such on stage and in interviews afterward.

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@yo_jaydee Must not have been watching blizzcon. It was literally announced as classic +. Why would you think this is retail 2.0?

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@IAmKhadgarsBtch I don't think most people care. They just don't want retailers to change the game to fit them. Its not hard to comprehend

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@TheZachkAttack Its both. Both retail and classic players are being toxic. I understand the entitlement from retail players less. I'm more understanding of classic players wanting to preserve the essence of classic in a game they have been asking for years for. That's coming from a retail player

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@NotFabTV Nice bait mate

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@JorgieWasTaken Retail players losing their minds over this is fcking hilarious

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@Humanitydh And they say classic players are toxic 😂

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@_wadexwilsonx Retail players crying they aren't getting their way as per usual lmao. And this is coming from a retail player. Can't accept that this game isnt made for you.

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@Rickyh24 @Marmstrongwow Yeah there are plenty of way of finding groups in game. They implemented a dedicated looking for group feature

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@orcishaquarius @Marmstrongwow Are you challenged? No way you just said that

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@Rickyh24 @Marmstrongwow No. That’s not even the case in actual classic l. Who told you this?

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As a retail player, this makes me happy.

Make Classic great again.

[Cornfed Nebraska Boy @Marmstrongwow]

I'm seeing a lot of discourse about who WoW Forever is being made for and while I cannot speak for anyone else on the team I can speak for myself. I am making WoW forever for the classic gamer and for the millions of people who have had their accounts lapse over the years because they were not satisfied with changes that were made to the game. Whether those changes were to the art style, the story, social aspects, game design, or changes to their favorite class.

I did not spend the last year of my life relearning and mastering how to do things like we did it 20+ years ago for retail players. I could have taken it easy and just kept doing things like I had done for the past 8 years on retail...because I was much more familiar with it and it actually takes a lot less time to do (height maps on textures do a ton of heavy lifting). Because the reality is that the majority of retail players wouldn't care and would probably actually prefer it. But I felt I had a duty to uphold an artistic vision and integrity that millions of people expect from us. But not just for our players, but for my co-workers past and present who worked on it over 20 years ago. If I could not create something that resembled their work then I failed not only them...but myself.

Please do not take this as me throwing any shade at retail players or the retail team because I am one myself...but I wanted to make Forever as authentic of a Vanilla experience as possible. This involves making decisions wildly different than retail. It means holding the line against changes that create a domino affect down the road. It means keeping friction and inconveniences in the game. It means finding friends and forming groups with strangers and being social!! Because WoWs social aspects have always been the pillar of the game and over the years it has slowly been chiseled away at with changes that allow you play alone.

Since the day I started working on the Riverglades I have lived by three sayings.

"Convenience is the death of the journey."

"If you're making a game for everyone then you're making it for no one."

"Every change we make incurs a debt to the authenticity of the game and sooner or later that debt will be paid."

These are my core beliefs and I had a specific group of people I was targeting with my work. These beliefs cannot be shaken and I will try to hold the line against anything that goes against them and will continue to pester the team about things that feel out of place.

That being said, my hope is that Forever will pull in as many people as possible, whether you are a retail gamer, a classic gamer, someone who hasn't played in years, or even a new player. I hope you can all remember what made this game so special in the first place and that starts with understanding why we are so passionate about keeping it authentic.

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@LimitKams Nice bait lmao.