@ReturnOfMilch@MonPrimLemon "Russian drone defense is SOOOO good that Ukraine would NEVER be able to strike targets inside Russia but Russia let them because its fair."
@huatp7@UselesPoliszguy@MonPrimLemon Shahads are 7k - 10k, granted the Russian copies are at $50k so I'll give you that
Judging from the footage of the past three months it's safe to say that FENTCOM can't handle shitbox drones and APKWS haven't been used in Ukraine yet, it's still insufficient
@UselesPoliszguy@huatp7@MonPrimLemon Shahads/Gerans are at most 1/4 the price of a APKWS, if we're talking about drone defense just use guns atp b)c ukrainian shilkas are quite successful at doing that
RAF bomber command’s mass area strategic bombing raids of German cities while somewhat successful, were insignificant when compared to the 8th and 9th Air Forces’ precision strategic bombing raids targeting transportation infrastructure. This is what actually defeated NS Germany via inducing strategic paralysis, not the mass slaughter of innocent German civilians.
The Germans were also able to easily rebuild their industrial sectors, which is why 1944 was when Germany reached peak fighter production thanks to the efforts of Erhard Milch.
Not to mention that due to special aviation units like Wilde Sau and Zahme Sau, RAF bomber command was almost brought to the brink of collapse, losing hundreds of bombers and thousands of men. There were even certain raids where they lost over 100 bombers a night.
And if your metric for “success” is killing German civilians:
RAF Bomber Command’s early mass area raids (specifically Operation Gomorrah) are what finally unified the Luftwaffe and were a failure from a point of British strategic doctrine, only galvanizing the population against the allies, rather than inciting a revolution. Not to mention that it divided efforts inside of Allied high command, as the Americans were opposed to these raids on the basis that they A) went against American doctrine B) were considered to be morally reprehensible.
Btw if you're soyrage over me saying that Pantsirs are actually pretty good, go and whine to the Gulf Arabs with too much money who bought Pantsir S1s over any Amerimutt made AA
@huatp7@UselesPoliszguy@MonPrimLemon b/c it's economically and logistically retarded, and it costs more to fire one at a drone than the drone itself and you're gonna have to spam fire those at Shahads which judging by how the PAC-3/2 stockpile got so low in a short amount of time is not good in an attritional war