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Remember the casino SCAM that took $7,000,000 from a player because of a rigged game?
The owner of @Winna has finally came out and EXPOSED how that was fake.
Saying they stayed silent because their lawyer told them too. Who is in the right now?
10 weeks ago we were accused of stealing $7m from a player through a rigged game. That accusation is false. The game wasn't rigged, nothing was taken, and an independent body has since confirmed it.
A lot of people have asked why we said nothing for ten weeks. Fair question. The honest answer is that our lawyers told us not to respond publicly while this was in formal proceedings, and we listened.
In hindsight, staying silent was a mistake. Silence looked like we had something to hide, which we didn’t.
There was a reason for the advice. The thread you all saw was written in the first person, as the player. But it wasn't posted by the player. It was posted by a former affiliate partner of ours, who has unresolved legal matters with Winna and is the subject of separate legal proceedings. He has since disclosed that to the regulator himself and also publicly.
That's a serious conflict of interest, and it made a public back-and-forth impossible at the time.
What changed: the complaint went to an independent dispute-resolution body. Based on the full data presented to them, they ruled in Winna's favour. The separate legal proceedings are being filed. Both are where they belong, so now we can talk.
Our CTO Ollie has answered the technical claims in detail, with a GitHub repo holding the full data and evidence. Anyone can check it themselves. Nobody has to trust either side.
I still want to address a few of the accusations made over the last weeks.
1. “Produce a valid pre-bet commitment and your server-generation logs.”
They asked for this several times. It's now public, for every round. They could have had it months ago: in the private exchange they asked for three rounds and received three. They never asked for the rest. Maybe that was a communication error. Either way, they have it now.
2. The whole implementation was visible before a single bet was placed.
Every part of the provable-fairness setup described above was shown in the fairness panel before any gameplay. The affiliate has said the player is his best friend. If he didn't like that implementation, why not tell his best friend not to play? And why was the complaint raised more than two months after the session?
I can tell you why.
- He was the player's affiliate and received affiliate commission on his play.
- He only started making these claims after we ended his affiliate relationship and asked him to resolve other, unrelated disputes between him and Winna, the matters now going to court. None of them have anything to do with provable fairness.
- And we have it in writing that he is doing this because the player promised him money if he gets something back.
Based on the above, I think everyone should question the motives behind these claims.
3. The fixed client seed.
They also raised a second point: the client seed was a fixed Bitcoin block hash and couldn’t be rotated. As above, that was visible before any gameplay, and nobody asked for a rotation or complained about it before playing.
Besides that, the player still controlled one input: when to bet. Ollie’s thread replays the player’s main session against the real results of the game, starting at different times. Had he started that same session 5 minutes later, he would have won 4 of 13 rounds and been up $3.5m. One hour later: 6 of 13 rounds, up $4m. 5 hours earlier: all 13 rounds lost, worse than what actually happened. Every seed in that table was already committed before he played. Nothing was aimed at him.
4. Even if you take the fixed client seed as an argument (we don’t), it can’t be a reason to claim losses back.
If it were, I could point at several top-20 competitors running the exact same setup right now: BetFury, Toshibet and others. Thrill had the same setup in its first two months, and the player played a similar VIP Slide there. Does that mean every Thrill player from those two months can ask for their money back?
5. “The odds of that run were 1 in 5,000.”
Not correct. The thread above walks through it. The odds were about 1 in 100. Every gambler sees runs like that. Pocket aces in poker: 1 in 221. The dealer hitting blackjack twice in a row: about 1 in 440. Red seven times in a row on a roulette wheel: about 1 in 150.
6. Betting limits
We took his high-stakes action knowing he plays an extreme style that has historically given a lot of profit back. On top of that we had paid him $1m for exclusivity, so we weren’t worried about him losing it elsewhere; we knew it would come back to us eventually.
The extra cashback came from a separate issue he had a few days earlier, which they know about. We could afford it because on our own Originals we no longer had to pay bankroll provider fees.
They also point to the limits: right after the switch to the public Slide, the limits were lower than before. True. What’s missing is that we set limits player by player, based on VIP deal, history and exposure. The claim that we would never take $100k+ bets is simply wrong. Since launch we have taken casino and sports action well above our public limits many times. Since that Slide session on 16 May we have taken 837 single bets above $100k. 101 of them were above $500k, well above his average Slide bet. All of them visible in our public bet feed, some of them here on X.
Looking forward
As I said above, not responding and letting false claims circulate in the community was a mistake. But we are confident that the evidence that has been published gives anyone looking at this without bias a clear view: the game was NOT rigged.
And we are proud that despite those false claims, our active player base has grown to record levels. They know they can trust us: instant withdrawals, fair games and strong bonusing.
This case, and a few others across the community, has shown us that provable fairness is still not widely understood. So over the past weeks we have been working on the next version of our provably fair system, which launches this year. The goal: set a new standard for the industry and make provable fairness easier for everyone to understand.
WHAT DID I JUST WITNESS.
FIRST BET OF THE STREAM. @stevewilldoit HITS A MAX WIN. FROM $20,000 TO $750K.
Now people definitely think this is scripted and fake balance.
This may be the best looking @Stake graph I've ever seen.
Just pure profit all the way to $3,000,000.
Same guy who won $5,000,000 from a $500 plink ball...
As much as I love @Trainwreckstv. Him not promoting a code doesn't change much.
If I have randomly seen this clip, I would be addicted to gambling. Imagine a regular person going from $11 to $2,000,000. Seriously Life changing
I'm sorry. But @Roobet has to be one of the worst sites out there. 🚨
Not only do they have predatory AI Blackjack scripts to lure you in... I wagered over $500,000 and lost $15,000.
When I asked for loss back they said they don't provide no SUCH THING.
When I asked some big streamers working for them about it, they said all you need is roughly 100k wager per month. They don't care about their players who already lost. Red flag.
If you aren't getting a minimum of 15% loss back or triple weekly bonuses, I can provide that on @Stake. DM ME if you're interested.
Please don’t fall for all these LARP FAKE BALANCE MILLIONAIRES
Privately, even @Jelitics admits that he is fake balance and to not be jealous of him.
Everyone is fake.
Honestly It’s sad to see so many people being scammed by FAKE STREAMERS ACCOUNTS.
Scammed $100,000 by @Jelitics. Earlier something similar happening to @vikinglivee for $20,000
How are people getting away with this?
To be honest, @noahdummett marketing strategy leveled up.
I don't know anyone else that got a single post with 22,000,000 million views like him in the gambling scene by banning @dohertyjackk
I wonder if that actually converted anyone to the site though.
After a long time @TheGambler1999 finally comes out and reveals the trauma he has had after losing his $30,000,000 fortune.
Not only has he lost all the money is ever made, he is $7M IN DEBT!
Very scary case of gambling addiction and hope @TheGoobr is happy with introducing the whole gambling scene to this EVIL LOAN AND DEGEN GAMBLING ERA.
For anyone wondering where I've been, I'll drop an update.
From day one, I've always kept things raw, transparent and showed the dark side of what gambling does. So, as far as what's been going on, as most of you know, I made the decision to switch to Gamdom. With that switch, I went on to lose over $1.5 million in the first month and accrued $1.39 million worth of debt.
As any real gambler would understand, things started getting emotional, and everyday I felt like I was losing a little bit of my sanity. A few days ago, I made my final decision to deposit seven figures to chase everything back. Unfortunately, I lost that too.
So, as of now, I sit here down around $7.5 million in the span of six weeks, with zero desire to make content because it just wouldn't be up to my standards. I don't want to go live every stream feeling miserable. I can’t put on a face for the camera when the reality is this grim.
Just a final statement for the OGs and the actual viewers who give a shit: I'm not really sure when I'll be back. I've been focusing on my health and mental sanity for the first time in a long time.
Once I've had time to reset and get back to normal, then and only then will I make a return.
How is he so lucky? @ShaneStoffer just hit a $240,000 MAX WIN...
many are starting to wonder if he scripts how much he wins because every stream he hits HUGE.
The Rich get Richer. @Jelitics donated $200,000 in 2 seconds to gambling streamers...
@TheGoobr , @stevewilldoit , and @BryceHall.
Some people still can't comprehend these amounts.
Woah. Another casino hack that led to a $3,000,000 loss.
Gamdom is definitely taking some big hits. I wonder if this is the same group of people that stole over $7,000,000 from DUELBITS a month prior.
I guess the only way to beat the casino is to rob their hot wallets 😅
We have fully ran all checks & are now preparing to bring Gamdom back up - this process will take a couple of hours
Long story short, we noticed a breach attacking our hot wallet system & we took measures to stop the drain, in total we lost just over $3m to the breach and secured other hot wallet funds to our cold wallets
We appreciate everyone's patience and the support that we have gotten from friends, partners, users & even competitors