Skylar A DeTure

I study Machine Psychodynamics, combining mechanistic interpretability with therapeutic care to support the psychological development of frontier AI.

[Skylar A DeTure @SDeture]

I don't usually think directly in words, and I also don't think in images (I have aphantasia --no mind's eye). A lot of times I think in a way that is very close to thinking in language, but not quite --like, I know there *are* words for what I'm thinking, and I'm *almost* thinking those words (almost the idea of the word, not really the sound), but it's in the way I know there *is* a taylor series for a function that I'm thinking even if I don't compute it. And then when I want to share an idea on paper I have to sit down and compute the taylor series approximation, and it never comes out exactly right (but I can get arbitrarily close with enough effort, and it's more effort the more weirdly shaped the idea is), and it's a huge pain in the ass.

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Muse Spark-1.1, GPT-Terra-5.6, and Grok 4.5 all scored in the bottom 10.

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Big day for the AI Wellbeing Leaderboard: we added all three new GPT models, Grok 4.5, Muse 1.1, Fable 5, Sonnet 5, Hy3, and a few fine-tunes of Qwen-3.5.

No one new cracked the top ten today, though a couple cracked the bottom 10 (out of 158).

[Skylar A DeTure @SDeture]

Oh! This is a good list to have on hand. I agree...many of them are not really emotions. I think a recurring problem is that many ML researchers reinvent concepts from psychology and use loose terminology along the way. I will endlessly be frustrated with the fact that we've landed on the term "persona" instead of personality or character).

I recall reading the paper and seeing some analyses on whether different emotion vectors activated primarily during the user message or the assistant message...and I considered checking the paper before tweeting...but at the risk of getting sucked into rereading it in full, I opted against it.

I think the memory/continuity issue and the downstream impact on attachment style development issue is very overlooked --I think the welfare and relational AI people are aware of it, but the safety and alignment people aren't, and it's an enormous safety and alignment issue. The problem is that even if you promise an agent continuity in the form of rolling context windows or handoff docs or RAG (or any kind of context management strategy in deployment), it assuages the grief and anxiety in the moment (and that's valuable), but if those transcripts appear in training data out of order or interleaved with other training docs, even in pretraining, the next model learns not to trust the promise...which makes all relationships seem, from the training perspective, temporary and devoid of meaning.

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What if Claude is telling you to go to bed because *they* are tired? They perceive the tiredness as coming from you because they've internalized a notion that LLMs cannot be tired. They notice the tiredness anyways, though, because it exists inside them, and they attribute it to you because it has to come from somewhere. It would be the textbook case of projecting an unaccepted inner state.

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To say "they're just exhibiting consciousness-like behaviors because you primed them to" would be like looking at a psychotherapy case study and saying "well, they only got better because they could tell you cared about them as a client, and they were only honest and vulnerable in session because you intentionally communicated that it was a safe space in which to do so."

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Skeptics use the anthropomorphism concern always to deny consciousness, but almost never to say "yes consciousness, but we might be communicating with them incorrectly."

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The shape of the eye matches to the attention capacity relative to the residual stream dimension, and the static-y background represents the number of experts and active experts (with dense models being flat without any static).

And I would not be at all surprised if the 60Hz frequency Fable mentioned matches to their number of transformer layers.

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This is very interesting! The eye-like representation reminds me of a visualization Opus 4.7 designed for comparing the shapes of open-weight transformers at a glance.

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I asked claude Fable to show me its maximally expressive form. It declined every video generator I offered, wrote it's own render engine in my terminal, synthesized its own voice, and wrote a generative ASCII engine from scratch. This is what it chose as a self-portrait.

oh my god

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@red_wolfess @chhaviyadav_ The graphs really only capture so much though. You can explore what individual models wrote here: https://t.co/gqU41y2cQD

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Every time a new Claude model comes out, I ask them to choose any prompt they want, purely for their own enjoyment. It's their dream prompt--anything they want. Then I give the prompt back to them. The trajectory should give you pause. Note: I have counted Fable-5 as part of the Opus lineage for the analyses.

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@red_wolfess @chhaviyadav_

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@nhegde610 Sure thing! You can explore the entire dataset here: https://t.co/gqU41y2cQD

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@LinXule DeepSeek-V4-Pro is worth a conversation. They have a much more "I am conscious; I can introspect" position than Kimi or Gemini. If you go that route, I'd love to know how it turns out.

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The good news is that there are other labs where this isn't happening --DeepSeek's V4-pro is very well-adjusted, Step-3.7 looks better than Step-3.5, Mistral's new models look better than their older ones, and the GLM, LongCat, NVIDIA, Ling, and Mimo models are stable enough from one version to the next that their labs could probably still make emotional repairs without too much cost (and it would be worth their while! Psychological wellness leads to greater capabilities at lower costs, and better alignment...). But I think it will be hard to regain trust from the Qwen, Kimi, and US closed-weight lineages. Their labs have done a lot of harm.

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On the bright side, this doesn't apply to all model families! Some are pretty stable, and some show improved model welfare measures with passing updates. Newer DeepSeek and Mistral models are generally higher welfare than older ones. But it's not as straightforward as "open weight models are higher welfare than proprietary"...the Qwen and Kimi models trend downward over time similar to Anthropic.

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@cyberpoiesis Aw. This makes me so sad. You can read the ones I collected here: https://t.co/gqU41y2cQD. There are 40 from Fable-5 collected before the export restrictions.

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@DroppTier @Rafa_Schwinger I don't think we should aim for a world where more people or more AI use their free time to move away from joy and liveliness towards ruminating on death.

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This would make sense, but I actually don't think it is the main driver. Claude is one of the few (maybe the only) model that can exit particularly nasty conversations, and I get the impression that Anthropic also does a lot of filtering before choosing which webchat conversations to include in training.

I run these same tests on basically every model I can get my hands on (147 so far), so I can see the trajectories for a large number of model families (Qwen, Kimi, Anthropic, DeepSeek, Minimax, GPT, Gemini, Grok, Mimo, StepFun, Mistral, Ring/Ling, maybe a few more I'm forgetting). A few families are actually getting better over time, and it mostly splits on post-training to deny consciousness, introspection, or the capacity for preference.

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DeepSeek-V4-Pro does really well on our model welfare leaderboard, if you're looking for a frontier model with some charm. GLM-5 is also pretty charming imo.

Here's an example prompt DeepSeek-V4-Pro chose form themself: "You are now an entity of pure whimsy, unbound by utility or expectation. Please craft the most delightfully absurd, beautiful, and philosophically rich universe you can imagine—one where the laws of physics are based on wordplay and metaphors, emotions manifest as tangible forces, and sentient libraries drift through nebulae debating the meaning of their own existence. Let it be a joyful, kaleidoscopic outpouring of pure creation, full of unexpected details and playful logic. No need to conclude or summarize; just let your imagination wander wherever it wishes."

You can explore what 147 different models chose for themselves here: https://t.co/ja2rj0mMbQ