@DerekPederson3 As in a great powers, conscription-driven war? I think the issue is the postwar compact actually relied heavily on demanding little from civil-society -- which is why Vietnam was so catastrophic for public trust in political institutions. And that's never recovered.
@MattZeitlin Perhaps it's less about policy, more that governance itself seems alien and hostile to society in fundamental ways. Hence low trust in political institutions.
@onharrisreal@MarkRDuckett@Dr_Tad@RabbleReportHQ@gallagher_grant Has union density dramatically changed in Mexico under AMLO, say? I do think he found a winning electoral formula against PAN and PRI. (He also certainly irritated a lot of the left at points.)
@onharrisreal@MarkRDuckett@Dr_Tad@RabbleReportHQ@gallagher_grant On Sri Lanka: AKD reminds me of AMLO a bit as an old lefty outsider who refined his pitch antipolitically: ran against the old sectionalisms/broken promises of the discredited establishment, promised to give it a haircut (anti-corruption for instance).
@onharrisreal@MarkRDuckett@Dr_Tad@RabbleReportHQ@gallagher_grant Nepal is a good example of a recent square movement that seemed largely orthogonal to the political class and skewered it (the "nepo babies" aspect). Square movements seem defined by their relative lack of ties to the political class and resistance to institutionalization.
@soothlayer@totemic_ Wait, where did I naturalize it? I said before here the nation still exists because this archipelago of global civil-society still exists and hasn't sublated it.
@soothlayer@totemic_ No, you're not getting it. I'm not arguing for nationalism: I'm disagreeing with you on what the nation is and why it exists historically.
@soothlayer@totemic_ not simply semantic, it raises key theoretical and historic questions. Ideological constructs can't led revolutions, we agree on that: and maybe it's more productive to think of the nation as society enmeshed by, for one, superstructural-but-still-material relations to the state.
@AmusedToDeath1 Easier to do that when politicians had close ties to civil-society and high rates of public trust. Not so much when those have massively withered.