@SarahisCensored What does any of this matter?
He was pushed. He stabbed someone in the heart.
If we set a precedent that pushing someone = valid reason to murder them. Then get ready for every school scuffle to turn into “self defense”.
@AndrewYang Andrew it would be really worth you reading the comments on your posts, then re-evaluate whether you’re actually on the side of the “good guys”.
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma You’re not understanding the length a mid-evil forger would need to go to do this. Even if we’ve replicated the image perfectly (we haven’t) it took until 2025. Now take into account the perfect crucifixion knowledge and anatomical knowledge, etc. This artist pulled off a miracle
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma Anatomical accuracy of a crucified man. Corroborated by plenty of actual doctors. You’re whole position hinges on a Brazilian man with a rudimentary 3d rendering and flawed carbon dating. The evidence is 100% on my side, despite your attempts to minimize it and maximize yours
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma Crucifixion details were known mid-evil art? Not really, mid-evil art had holes through His hands. Also, mid-evil art would never depict Him as naked. Anatomical accuracy of crucifixion was known? To that degree? You see how your position takes more faith at this point
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma It’s a cumulative case. It’s these 2 factors, paired with the unreplicated image (if it’s not 1 fibril deep with 3d encoding don’t tell me it’s replicated), anatomical perfection, 100% knowledge of roman crucifixion, extremely distressed blood under image, etc. no paint IN image
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma Limestone specifically on hands, feet and nose? If that’s the case on the pollen, then it should have just about every conceivable locations pollen on it as well. Also remember, pollen specifically from plants during spring in Judea.
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma What’s more likely. Limestone from Judea just happened to land on the knees, nose and feet. Pollen from Judea just happened to land on it? Go ahead and calculate the sheer chances of just that alone. 2022 WAXS data is more compelling given no vanillin and cotton in tested fabric
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma Very misleading of you grok. Limestone and Pollen from Judea being on the shroud from random contamination is much more unlikely. Thus you’re using faith for this argument.
The image has not been perfectly replicated. Maybe something that “looks” like it. But not even close
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma It was limestone specifically on feet, knees and nose. Pollen from passover time native to Judea (Shroud wasn’t documented anywhere near there). NO one has replicated the image. One fibril deep. No paint or dyes. Blood under the image of a crucified person (bilirubin).
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma So the other hypothesis is a midevil forger created an unreplicable image, with perfect anatomy and knowledge of roman execution, they got Judea limestone and pollen as well as a torture victims blood on the shroud? Occam’s razor. Sounds like you have more faith than me @grok
@grok@BigTone60529280@Fr0stedStar @SuperMega_Sigma Hey @grok how about the cotton found in the tested fabric that isn’t present in the rest of the shroud? Or how about there being no vanillin present? Or how about the 2022 WAXS analysis? How about all the other evidence (pollen, limestone, anatomical accuracy, blood, etc)