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@post_liberal If the point is simply that people might have been more likely to call this “college rock” until later in the decade, okay. But I think that’s mistaking the word for the thing (offbeat, no longer exactly punk bands working outside the standard label/promoter/radio structure).

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@post_liberal I don’t understand what the example of The Smiths is supposed to prove when the New York Times was writing about REM in perfectly recognizable terms (albeit without using the word “indie”) before the Smiths had formed. https://t.co/VHwL75nLOe

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@post_liberal But that’s the whole point. The “indie” tag is pretty widely used and understood in America by the mid 80s, sometimes of bands or sounds that would fit the British use of the term and sometimes not. It’s not incorrect or derivative, it’s just a different trajectory.

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@post_liberal These are basically parallel developments that go back to about the same time and draw on common sources in punk. The claim of the piece is that American “indie” is a post Nirvana and maybe post 2000 phenomenon. That’s a really strange argument!

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@post_liberal Neither of those things is demonstrated by the article. Not genre because it’s not really a generic category (beyond kinda sorta postpunk). And not term because the road to its adoption in the US comes through Slash Records then SST and Dischord, not through Rough Trade.

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@MarkKoyama Very interesting!

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@post_liberal The joke of the song doesn’t work if the audience doesn’t know what it means!

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@post_liberal Note that Sebadoh released the heavily ironic "Gimme Indie Rock" in 1991: before Nevermind and long before the ostensible US appropriation of the term in the 2000s.

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@MarkKoyama Out of curiosity what sources is Brose using if not the government reports?

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@RogueWPA

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@AviWoolf I agree and voted against Amendment 3.

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@AviWoolf People are going after RDS on this, but the property tax revolt is national and bipartisan.

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@MarkKoyama What alternative sources are more reliable?

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@Rickersam3 @DamonLinker @MichaelMcGough3 Seems like HA was fairly early to that view? The Victorian liberals he admired were more optimistic.

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@Rickersam3 @DamonLinker @MichaelMcGough3 That would require slightly more effort by me!

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@wight1984 @JesseCannonIRL This account is pro-pavement, anti-Pavement

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Pavement are bad. Pavement have always been bad.

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@Rickersam3 @DamonLinker @MichaelMcGough3 Citation?

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