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@GrandpaJoeSux Haha!

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@farmingandJesus Lizzie this is gross and cruel. Didn't you just post about how you gave your life to Jesus? Maybe act like Him?

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@RealCandaceO @paleochristcon @elonmusk Too dumb or lazy to read four paragraphs. Weep for the culture.

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@freakin_snow @grok did he really say this?

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@FatherChrisVor1 thank you

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@ShabbosK thank you

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@Sola_GPT @coininfish how so?

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@conservmillen How about the many millions who have never heard of Jesus before? how do you reconcile their fate with what you are saying? If they never heard of Jesus, they can't call upon Him. so where do they go?

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@conservmillen Ugh you are obnoxious

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@conservmillen What a harpie. I'll take Jacob's version.

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@sister_slay Avatar leaks?

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@ThoughtfulSaint @conservmillen @theblaze I don't like her after her one interview with that one "expert" exmo

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@Timcast Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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@LukeFHan Can I just say, I miss the use of the altars

[Brad Witbeck @BradWitbeck]

No, "Mormons" aren't racist.

In this lovely little clip, Matt and Joe got an enormous amount of stuff wrong about my Church and my faith.

For starters, they're framing the Church as currently racist based on now disavowed and speculative explanations regarding race. Their clip doesn't even do the courtesy of mentioning that it was explicitly disavowed, let alone grapple with how it is actually contradicted by Book of Mormon teachings that all are alike unto God.

Also the cursing in the Book of Mormon has nothing to do with Africans and the Book of Mormon itself had nothing to do with the priesthood ban—It talks about a curse of darkness on the Lamanites who were understood as forefathers of Native Americans, who were allowed to hold the priesthood. I suspect they leave this out because they want to paint the Book of Mormon itself as racist—either that or they just really, really don't know what they're talking about. Also, it's worth noting that the way the Book of Mormon talks about the "curse of darkness" fits in remarkably well with ancient near eastern idiomatic expressions people would use to describe their enemies and themselves. They would describe themselves as white and pure and their enemies as dark and loathsome, not necessarily as a racial thing like how we might be prone to interpret it today.

The curse of Ham idea also doesn't originate from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints like they implied. It predates the existence of the Church, and it actually looks like it came back into the Church from other Protestant groups, coupled with a misunderstanding of why Joseph told Zebedee Coltrin not to baptize slaves while he was a missionary. They completely leave out any nuance surrounding things like black people who actually did hold the priesthood during the time of Joseph, like Elijah Able and Kwaku Walker Lewis.

Joe Heschmeyer also presents the idea that the priesthood ban was never questioned until the issues they mention in Brazil came up, which is patently false, with Lorenzo Snow having had questions regarding it back in 1849. It's not like this sat right with every church member until suddenly they needed priesthood holders in Brazil so they changed it for convenience. That probably was an influencing factor in the end, but presenting it as the sole reason is very misleading.

Now, I'm not writing all this to say that the Church has never had issues on this subject, and there's plenty to look into and try to understand the reality of the Church's history with race relations. I just think they went about this in a wildly irresponsible way. Heck, Joseph Smith ran for president on a platform opposed to slavery, and was recently recognized as "Lincoln before Lincoln" by Rev. Dr. Lawrence Edward Carter Sr., at the unveiling of a painting of Joseph that's now hanging at Morehouse College.

IMO, these guys are clearly agenda driven to just smear the Church as much as possible in their review of this Godmakers clip.

Sorry this got long, but this is kind of a "I don't even have time to tell you how wrong you are... actually, it's gonna bug me if I don't." situation 😂

[Thoughtful-Faith @ThoughtfulSaint]

lol. @RealMattFradd the Godmakers… really 😂?

you could have literally just called me.

This was super weak stuff. Old stuff that has been dealt with over and over. Many factual errors.

Maybe I should “DESTROY” Catholicism video. It would not be hard.

Your priests literally had slave plantations.

Your popes demonstrably made up “apostolic doctrines” (Marian Dogmas haha)

Your modern church is rife with homosexual pedophiles and your leaders have hid their abuse

Your church has murdered thousands of innocent people.

Your papacy is literally made up and did not exist in the early church.

But I think I won’t do that because I hit pieces generally are kinda lame.

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@LukeFHan Fradd should be lower

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@counseloftrent Why are you so threatened by us?

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@RealMattFradd Guy thinks burning other religious books is on the up and up. What did you expect. As @benshapiro @realDailyWire @JeremyDBoreing say, don't give money to people that hate you.