As Christians we are to rebuke those who error but trash insults are literally the “corrupt communications” that Paul warned us not to do….
[29] Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. [30] And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. [31] Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: [32] And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
—Ephesians 4:29-32
This is Christian conduct 101 and not hard to grasp though it’s impossible to do in the flesh.
Usually a cult is considered to be any fringe religious group that has some exclusive insight to a deity.
These are exceptionally dangerous because they usually center around an individual who claims total authority.
Christianity technically started as a cult that sprang from Judaism. The main difference here is that the one who started it is held to have been resurrected from the dead and currently reigns from heaven.
Instead of an earthly prophet, priest or guru we have a divine King that rules through His word via His Spirit that is given liberally to all who believe.
This makes the basic principles of Christianity free of cult status because it’s only as exclusive to all who believe without exception. It’s true that many have tried to claim authority in His name which makes them walk the tightrope of cult status. This has been the debate among us from almost the beginning where some frequently pop up saying they have the real right to exclusive revelation, LDS falls into this category.
Yes a lot to cover. So there’s a difference between eternity in the “preexistence” and eternity in “eternal progression” because it’s the borderline for the celestial kingdom, the only place of true godhood.
This line is only crossed with attainment to the priesthood office among other things.
Yes your church treats godhood as if it’s an attained office, basic biblical Christianity teaches the He Himself is eternal and need not attain that status.
I know the official stand of the LDS on what I just said would portray themselves as “basic biblical” Christianity but in truth the doctrine that they teach can’t be derived from the NT books alone. This is why you needed a “restored priesthood”.
Am I portraying this correctly?
@Rav_Truelight@MormonMonarch Read Galatians 1:8 and then compare the LDS gospel with what Paul said in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and then tell me if you guys added to the gospel.
@Rav_Truelight@CerebralCereal0@RazorFist Correct but consider that if the God we say we worship was once a man and the priesthood is what’s eternal or from “everlasting to everlasting” we aren’t worshiping an eternal god but only worshipping an eternal office.
Can you see this?
@Rav_Truelight@CerebralCereal0@RazorFist “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”
— LDS Prophet Lorenzo Snow
God is a product of priesthood according to LDS doctrine.
@Rav_Truelight@CerebralCereal0@RazorFist A careful reading of Doctrine and Covenants, which the LDS church considers inspired scripture, speaks about what the source of “eternal progression” is…
You’ve never read D&C 134 on the law of eternal progression and how to achieve godhood?
“And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealedunto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them……
……Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.”
—D&C 132:19&20
@CerebralCereal0@RazorFist The problem comes from LDS doctrine which really points to the worship of the office of priesthood as opposed to the worship of the Almighty. It’s taught that your priesthood is what is eternal and is the means by which one becomes a god.
@Rach4Patriarchy@OpStCyprian You’re showing a complete misunderstanding of how we do church. For example I’m currently going through intense marital issues which I laid out before the elders of the church. They are handling my situation with extreme care and godly council as well as correction.
What examples do we see in scripture regarding prayers for the dead. Check out King David….
2 Samuel 12:21-23
[21] Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread. [22] And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live? [23] But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
@MessianicAge10@det4187@JayDyer@paleochristcon He uses block like the how the high churches use to use excommunication.
He’s got behavioral issues for sure. Praying all those who are falling into the recent EO hype can be reached for the simplicity of the Gospel.
@MessianicAge10@det4187@JayDyer@paleochristcon Just a lil diva like, he blocked me because I wouldn’t immediately go on air to debate him. He’s a douche bag as well as a horrible testimony to the Body of Christ.
@MessianicAge10@det4187 I’m pretty sure that’s their go to conclusion, at least those who have argued with me here on X.
It’s wild how the EO has taken off, mostly from guys like @JayDyer and @paleochristcon doing the rounds.
@MessianicAge10@det4187 Exactly. Seems a little overly defensive to me.
I’ve heard their explanation though, they’ll say denying icon veneration is like denying the incarnation because Jesus is the express image of God.
Huge leap of logic there.
Does your church teach to bow before graven images using tradition as proof?
Do you use Joshua 7:6 to give scriptural credibility to your argument?
Let’s stop playing question games we both know the answer to. The truth is you only go to scripture to defend your position because we called your church on it. In truth your church doesn’t need scriptural precedents because your tradition can override scripture. Of course you’ll say it’s not overriding scripture but working in tandem with it.
This is why you play gymnastics with definitions to justify things that have been condemned in scripture.