Ulysses Grant fan

Fiorello LaGuardia Republican

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci I just did

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci I know what a primary source is, which is why I know it’s not alone sufficient as evidence in the research process. If you want primary evidence, I would direct you to the medieval sport of football, which is primarily played with the hands

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci Would a single primary source change *your* mind?

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@farttttttttttt2 @brian_callaci I didn’t make that point. I wouldn’t have used “of the aristocracy” there

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci is your assertion that the people who codified rugby football were retards for calling their sport that because they didn’t read what a nun had to say about it in 1486?

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci So very sorry to keep you waiting for five whole minutes

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@farttttttttttt2 @brian_callaci That wasn’t my original point

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@ThomasF93619148 @brian_callaci Yes I have considered that and agree

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci That is true but has very little bearing on the use of the term when ⚽️ and 🏉 were invented

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci Now you’re being purposefully daft. Medieval football was called football because it’s played on foot. You tried and failed to assert that mob football being mostly played via kicking is evidence of the original etymology whereas in reality it’s much closer to 🏉 and 🏈

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@farttttttttttt2 @brian_callaci Yes? That’s exactly my point, the term “football” came to the USA via their universities’ relationships with the English universities that codified those sports.

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@ThomasF93619148 @brian_callaci Have you considered that the origins of the term were specifically concerned with popular team sports involving a ball, passing, and scoring via ball-in-goal? That (non-exhaustively) includes the very popular sport of polo, hence the distinction

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci You also kick in American football, it is just mostly played with the hands. Just like in mob football

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci And he’s correct. The images you shared are evidence of this, the association rules being created to codify it and distinguish it from the other types of football, particularly rugby football (which evolved into gridiron football)

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@ThomasF93619148 @brian_callaci If you don’t want to trust the majority historians here, consider the fact that ⚽️, 🏉, and 🏈 evolved from the same sport—despite only one of them using feet as the main mode of passing and scoring—as evidence this is true. Where’s your evidence, other than popular opinion?

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@farttttttttttt2 @brian_callaci Because when it began to get codified in the Victorian era, the term “football” was used to distinguish it from the other popular sports of the time, like polo

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@Zombie_Jesus_v3 @ocgarna @brian_callaci You do realize that he deliberately uses “family” (I.e. “share a common ancestor”)? Tennis is not in the same family of sport as ⚽️, 🏉, and 🏈. OP completely aligns with historians here

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@ThomasF93619148 @brian_callaci That’s literally not true. That may be what makes sense in your head, but that’s not where the term originally came from. Look at medieval/shrovetide football; there’s barely any foot usage there

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@farttttttttttt2 @brian_callaci Yes? ⚽️, 🏉, and 🏈 all evolved from the same, uncodified pre-Victorian ball game

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@seanlikesbacon @brian_callaci This has nothing to do with what OP thinks, it’s about what the creators of the sport thought