@cuadaph @LemonMariii Saying toby didnt write with the fandom in mind, when each chapter has more and more self/fandom-referential material, is disagreeable.
@D3f3n3str4t10n Asgore's obsession came before even him being fired. They all compounded on each other, but the main feeling it all circled was his guilt.
@D3f3n3str4t10n@YourHostKaz Asgores fatal flaw also doesnt feel like an attempt to return to a better time, its his obsession with cleansing his guilt over The Incident, which was what caused his estrangement from his family in the first place. I can concur with the others though.
@D3f3n3str4t10n@YourHostKaz My issue with the wish in chapter 4, is that the wise mentor character reinforces this wish of hers. That makes the scene read much more positively to it. 1/2
@D3f3n3str4t10n@YourHostKaz And they might be right, there are two more chapters, but at that point you're engaging with what you want the text to be, not quite the actual text.
@crowdeacon Ch 4 he finally accepts his own desires, and comes to desire the prophecy to play out differently, where in Ch 5 he works up to actually wanting to do something about it with his dynamic with Flowery.
@crowdeacon In chapter 2, during the boat ride with Ralsei, we see the seeds of him starting to come into his own. Each chapter has him in a different phase. Ch1 has him completely shackled to the prophecy, ch2 he starts to understand he has desires, ch3 he tries to tamp them down
@YourHostKaz@D3f3n3str4t10n It just feels like this idea of how susie is acting is bad, isn't supported by the text. The fanbase sees it as bad but I haven't seen any citations for where the game itself concurs.
@ChiefOfBcrk@yandhiisntreal Unless I'm forgetting something, there was never any callback to happy memories with Asgore. He was entirely focused on The Incident, and Flowery was focused on making an "ideal world" which didn't actually include anything that would be nostalgic.
@ChiefOfBcrk@yandhiisntreal Nostalgia doesn't really seem anywhere in the chapter. The flowers being the 7 humans, mad mew mew, sans references, the use of tracks from undertale. It feels more like reference for the sake of reference.
@D3f3n3str4t10n@YourHostKaz Susie has seen two people be kidnapped, a dude straight up killed, whatever bad shit happens in the prophecy, and fought a titan by now. Why are we acting like her deciding that backup is necessary is some ridiculous thought.
@Not_Robotic@fortnitebussy1 He looked at the camera and said "actually i was just playing along the whole time, actually my problem was the obsession with solving The Incident which estranged me from my family."
@idkijustthibk It's seriously fucked realizing how many people even on the nominal left have more respect for the rights of abstract concepts and institutions, than they do respect for the rights of real actual human beings.