@clefableV@Teases_and_Such There's an element of self-preservation too--many of these kinds of partisans would very much be conservative traditionalists if their situations were reversed; it's not the ideals of the cause that draw them to it
@clefableV@Teases_and_Such It's a remarkable human pattern--I've noticed it in many different kinds of social group
There's always someone too Catholic for the Pope, someone more radical than the party
It's a way of self-aggrandizement/nursing an insecure psyche by drawing on a larger identity
@clefableV@Teases_and_Such To become a trans man, for these kind of power-oriented partisans, is tantamount to defecting to the enemy--even if it's a liberatory and revolutionary act in itself to transition, it's not a transition they approve of
@clefableV@Teases_and_Such Feminism has managed to liberate women in many crucial ways but has not managed to undermine social misogyny for the masses, merely flipping it in places; as with other revolutionary movements it's often co-opted by in-group partisans looking for power instead of freedom
Happy Fourth of July to you too ā but I donāt think youāre being fair here.
Reducing Americaās āoutputsā to processed food, social media, and war is not a serious balance sheet. Itās like looking at the history of fire and saying, āMostly arson, by that jerk Gary.ā Sure, we all know Gary is an arsonist, but weāre talking about the history of fire here.
āProcessed foodā is doing a lot of work here. Are we talking about ultra-processed junk food? Would not recommend living off of it, but I do love Twinkies. But shelf-stable food? Refrigeration? Fortification? Food logistics? Mass agricultural productivity? That stuff was a godsend. Fresh food is better than boxed food. You know whatās worse than boxed food? Starving. Historically very common. Terrible reviews.
And America didnāt just export Doritos. It helped revolutionize food production, storage, transportation, and abundance. The country blamed for processed food also helped create the conditions under which ordinary people could eat better than aristocrats did for most of human history. Also, I assume youāre leading the organic/local/farm-to-table movement now? Because that too is largely a luxury of abundance.
On social media: yes, it has downsides. I co-authored The Coddling of the American Mind. I am not exactly Captain TikTok.
The same technological ecosystem gave us the Internet, search, email, online education, citizen journalism, dissident networks, and instant access to more knowledge than any emperor, pope, or king in history ever had. Does that come with real harms? Of course. So did the printing press. It gave us science, mass literacy, religious war, propaganda, and eventually liberal democracy. No major technology arrives with only benefits. Progress is not a spa day.
And āviolence and warsā? Come on. The American record is mixed because history is mixed. Some American wars were tragic mistakes. But pretending Americaās military history can be summarized as āwars and bad feelingsā is dorm-room geopolitics.
The Revolutionary War produced the first large-scale democratic republic. The Civil War ended slavery in one of the largest slave societies on earth, at horrifying cost. The U.S. helped prevent Imperial Germany from dominating Europe in World War I. In World War II, the Soviet Union bore the main ground burden against Hitler, absolutely ā but without American industry, Lend-Lease, air power, naval power, and the western front, Europeās āliberationā could easily have meant swapping one totalitarian nightmare for another. Stalin was not exactly waiting at the Elbe with a basket of civil liberties.
And in the Pacific, the United States was the central force that destroyed the Japanese Empire, which was al trulybrutal empire that was replaced with an amazing and dynamic free Japan. Later, the U.S. helped free Kuwait and intervened in Kosovo to stop the ethnic cleansing of Albanians. Were all these decisions pure? No. Was every intervention wise? Obviously not. But war is hardly something America invented, and some of them really were worth fighting.
The actual story is harder and more interesting: America is powerful, inventive, chaotic, self-critical, and open. That openness produces junk food and Nobel Prizes, Twitter mobs and dissident speech, Hollywood nonsense and world-changing art, terrible wars and the defeat of even worse regimes.
So yes, criticize America. Please. Itās practically an American duty. But if your critique canāt distinguish Lunchables from famine prevention, Instagram from the Internet, and Iraq from stopping fascist empires, then the problem isnāt American exceptionalism. The problem is an audit that only counts the liabilities.
On USA250: 2026 is lowest murder rate in US history, highest median income, smallest black-white income gap, highest life expectancy, dominant firms in critical AI industry, net energy independence, and mobility so that immigrants run MSFT, Google, NVIDIA. SpaceX, Uber and Coke.
Iāve always found people who bristle at āAmerican exceptionalismā kind of⦠weird. Not because I lack self-awareness ā Iāve spent my career cataloging every way this country fails to live up to its own rules. But thatās exactly why I love it so damn much. We built a system designed to be shamed by its own founding documents, and it still delivered one of the most spectacular, world-altering runs in human history. A genuine force for human flourishing.
I also found the argument against American exceptionalism to be historically illiterate. Hereās a sample of what we were first at:
⢠The first large-scale democratic republic in human history ā not a city-state, not a monarchy with a parliament bolted on, but a bold continental experiment in self-rule, popular sovereignty, and ordered liberty.
⢠A written Constitution (1789) with separation of powers and checks & balances ā still the oldest national constitution in force anywhere.
⢠The Bill of Rights (1791): the first time a nation wrote āthe government cannot touch theseā into supreme law and actually meant it. A dare the world copied ā from later rights charters to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
⢠Public land-grant universities and mass higher education (Morrill Act), opening college to ordinary people no aristocracy would have let near the gates. (but donāt get me started about what happened after we started. Massively federally funding it.)
⢠Kitty Hawk, 1903 ā first controlled powered flight.
⢠The Moon, 1969 ā still the only ones whoāve been there.
⢠The worldās largest economy since ~1890, powering unprecedented prosperity through grit and genius.
⢠The assembly line, skyscraper, transistor, personal computer, ARPANET ā the backbone of the modern world.
⢠Telephone, phonograph, GPS ā connecting and powering daily life.
⢠Surgical anesthesia, polio vaccine ā saving and transforming millions of lives.
⢠Jazz, blues, rock ānā roll ā brand new American art forms that conquered the globe.
⢠Hollywoodās dreams, blue jeans, bourbon, and a culture so open a kid like me could devour sushi, burritos, stuffed cabbage, and tabouli in the same week and rightfully think of it all as American.
Thatās the part that fills me with genuine love and pride: not just the power or the wins, but the appetite for freedom, creativity, and reinvention. The audacity to say āWe the Peopleā and keep trying to live up to it.
What do you love most about this truly exceptional country? šŗšø
@nobodyknows2322 I do wonder what the world would be like if there was a sizable ocean through the middle of Siberia
Regardless, kind of ridiculous how good a situation the US has created for itself geographically
@Authw8 This is also the core of the move away from the Old (and later New) Republic's shielded starfighter carriers to imperial gunships with unshielded starfighter support; the tie fighters depend on the Star Destroyer, which depends on the Empire, which depends on the Emperor.
@Authw8 There's an interesting concept from the old EU where the Star Destroyers were designed as multi-use workhorses, and were heavily logistically dependent because of their size complexity--Palpatine wanted them tied to imperial supply lines for the sake of personal control.
Members of the Palaiologoi family - the last Byzantine imperial family (last Roman imperial family) - landed on their feet running sugar plantations on Barbados
@AngelicaOung Notably, as Confucianism went on to be the ideology championed by imperial dynasties of China, Stoicism became the model for dynasties on the Mediterranean--Christianity and Islam having a great deal of direct influence and philosophical traits absorbed from it.
@AngelicaOung There are some really rich parallels between Spring-and-Autumn China and Classical Greece; two eras of city states fighting it out and producing core civilizational philosophies in the process. Primarily Confucianism-Stoicism, and to a lesser extent Taoism-Epicureanism.