John obviously knew Mary. John 19 makes that clear.
The Bible is full of instances where it expects the reader to engage in basic inference.
John never refers to himself as John in the Gospel of John. He refers to himself as “the one who Jesus loved.”
Similarly, although he doesn’t specifically refer to Mary in the chapter…… it’s pretty obvious that he’s referring to Mary…. Since Mary is the one who birthed the “one to rule the nations” and also fled to “the wilderness” when King Herod attempted to kill Jesus as an infant.
@3catturds@Truth_matters20 The apostolic tradition has always held that Rev 12 it refers to Mary in the micro and Israel—specifically the New Israel, the Church—in the macro.
Are you claiming John had no contact with Mary?
Nearly all Apostolic Christians (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Catholic, etc.)…. refer to Mary by these titles. Even many Protestant Reformers did as well. Luther himself held to the doctrine of Mary’s Perpetual Virginity and viewed her as the Ark of the New Covenant.
The Bible itself indicates that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. Read Revelations 12.
She is the one crowned by the most high and clothed with the Sun (Rev. 12:1).
Who else gave birth to a child who would “rule the nations with a rod of Iron (Rev. 12:5).”
It explicitly refers to those faithful to Christ as “her offspring (Rev. 12:17).”
@3catturds@Truth_matters20 It’s not the most common. It’s not even a prayer we say in the mass….as is the case with the “Our Father, the Gloria, the Sanctus, Agnus Dei, etc.”
So your premise fails on arrival.
Again, your ignorance is showing.
The Catholic Church wasn’t dogmatically opposed to the theory of heliocentrism. Hence why they sponsored much of Copernicus’ work on the topic.
The main point is this, the people who actually knew the apostles and their immediate students such as Polycarp, Iraeneus, Ignatius, etc., almost certainly have a better idea on what the apostles believed what proper interpretation of the Gospel entailed…… compared to people who lived 1500 years later (Calvin, Luther, Zwingli, etc,)
To know history is to cease being Protestant.
Joe Heschmeyer already exposed Ryan’s inconsistency about Mark 16:16. When pressed, he falls back on “it shouldn’t be there anyway”. Now he’s pushing an argument from absence, but in only 1/2 the verse?
This is faith built around personal beliefs and not the Apostolic Deposit.
It is united on Jesus. Evangelicalism and Protestantism is united on nothing. It ultimately is only united via the cult of personal interpretation.
Many of its beliefs have no continuity with the beliefs of Christians that predate the 1500s.
It’s a modernized bastardization of the one true faith.
@3catturds@Truth_matters20 Is the Rosary was the only spiritual devotional that Catholics do? It isn’t.
You’re revealing your ignorance when you make comments like this.
@3catturds@Truth_matters20 Apostolic Christianity is largely united on the status of Mary. Even Luther acknowledged Mary heightened role in salvation history. Your low view of Mary is less than 500 years old.
Read Revelations 12.
When you ask your friends to pray for you, are you not “asking them for something?”
If you’re going to claim that asking others to pray for you is sinful…. You’re going to have to throw out much of the NT.
James 5:16
1 Timothy 2:1
Ephesians 6:18
Colossians 1:9
2 Thessalonians 1:11
Hebrews 13:18
Romans 15:30
2 Corinthians 1:11
Philippians 1:19
1 Thessalonians 5:25
2 Thessalonians 3:1
Philemon 1:22
@3catturds@Truth_matters20 The Hail Mary is an intercessory prayer asking Mary to pray for us. Hence “pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.”
It’s not a “prayer to Mary.”
@tophbrannen@DrFrankTurek It sounds like he’s ordering them what to do from a far.
Nearly all the early church fathers who lived within 50 years of the apostles reported the episcopal governance system is how the church was organized.
@kingmithrun@AmerMuslims@deusimpera I gotcha, so angels and jinns are different kinds of heavenly being ontologically in Islam.
In Christianity, Angels and demons are technically the same thing ontologically. The main differences is that demons are angels who rebelled against God.
1.)what is the difference and how is it substantive?
A.) Where does Paul say that?
B.) many Roman historians talk about the mass persecution of Christians. The idea that there’s no basis for the claim is ahistorical.
C.) how is it a forgery? The light spectrometry test confirmed that it was 2000 years old. The carbon dating test only tested portion on the perimeter that had been damaged and refurbished in the medieval era. This has been long known.
@tophbrannen@DrFrankTurek Ya know…. Paul does appear to be telling the Churches of Corinth, Thessaloniki, Galatia, etc. what to do…… given the fact he wrote letters telling them what to do 😂.
@tophbrannen@DrFrankTurek The elders in Crete are answerable to Titus….. and Titus is answerable to Paul….. that looks a whole lot like Hierarchy to me buddy.