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I wanna do more art of Greek gods and goddess. What's your favourite depiction of your favourite god?

I really like Rembrandt's Athena.

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@AlbertoLeoni11 @MouktarAlbert pieces that may have belonged to other figures, to create a complete image.
It's not considered entirely inaccurate, since these processional scenes usually feature the same types of figures repeated. However, it isn't an exact reconstruction of what survives...

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Woman Carrying an Ivory Pyxis, Tiryns, Mycenaean Greece 1300 BC

Facsimile of the famous Mycenaean fresco by Swiss artist Émile Gilliéron

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@AlbertoLeoni11 @MouktarAlbert This one is from Thebes, at the Mycenaean palatial center. The one I posted is a different fresco from Tiryns and survives only in heavily fragmented form.

His criticism is that this watercolor reconstruction combines fragments from different parts of the fresco, including

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@NikoSan1312 sad conversation cause I'm not your pray... go play elsewhere. Malaka

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It's actually funny how we consider Virgil's Aeneid a continuation of the Homeric epics, even though it was written almost 700 years later.

It's like writing something today and regarding it as belonging to the same canon as a work written in the 1300s...idk, I find it weird

[Sash @eigensash]

Finished all 3 just in time to watch The Odyssey tomorrow!

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@NikoSan1312 The Aeneid was written roughly 700 years after the Homeric epics had been recorded in written form, regardless of the fact that the versions we read today were edited in Hellenistic Alexandria.
Use your brain and stop trying to create a funny narrative. And stop this

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@NikoSan1312 "Romeo and Juliet is only 30 years older than Harry Potter, since that's the latest edition of Shakespeare's work you can actually find in bookstores. What do you mean by the 17th century you autistic?"

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@NikoSan1312 No, I distinguished them from the beginning. The text we read today is an edition based partly on Alexandrian work, but that does not mean the poem itself was composed in 150 BC. That's simple but you apparently have an agenda to be an insufferable asshole.

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@NikoSan1312 We were discussing the age of the Homeric epics, not the date of the Alexandrian edition. Lmfao
A modern edition of Plato does not make Plato a modern author.

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@NikoSan1312 an already ancient epic poem! The question is when the poems was first written down, not when the latest critical version was produced. By that logic, no ancient work would belong to its original author, only to its latest editor!
Shut the fck up already... seriously

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@NikoSan1312 You're mixing up the history of the text with the origin of the poems. Nobody denies that the Homeric text went through oral transmission, written copies, and later editings! But an editor does not become the composer!!!! Aristarchus did not create the Odyssey; he edited

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@NikoSan1312 meaning that rhapsodes could adapt performances over generations. However, the existence of variation does not mean the Odyssey suddenly became a 6th-century BC creation when Athens standardized or edited a version.

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@NikoSan1312 No, it is not irrelevant. Oral tradition and the role of rhapsodes are exactly why scholars study the Homeric poems carefully. But a poem being transmitted orally does not mean it had no identifiable period of composition.
The Homeric epics were products of a long oral tradition,

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@NikoSan1312 The existence of later manuscripts, editorial revisions, punctuation, or standardized spelling says nothing about when the poem itself originated.

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@NikoSan1312 earliest attainable version from the surviving manuscript tradition.
By your logic, Virgil's Aeneid would also date to the Renaissance or to modern critical editions rather than to 29–19 BC, because we don't possess Virgil's autograph either. No classicist argues that.

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@NikoSan1312 may have occurred then. Likewise, no one dates the poem to the Alexandrian period because Aristarchus edited it! Jesus!!!!!

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@NikoSan1312 Fuck off. Whether Homer was a historical individual, several poets, or a legendary name is irrelevant to the dating of the poem. 🙄 (who is playing the dumb?)
No serious classicist EVER dated the composition of the Odyssey to the reign of Peisistratus simply because a recension

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@NikoSan1312 every ancient work would date to its oldest surviving manuscript or latest editorial revision, which is clearly absurd.

Its like if someone records a traditional song in 1950, that would mean the song was created in 1950?? Just stop this paranoia already.

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@NikoSan1312 The consensus among Homeric scholars is that the Iliad and Odyssey reached substantially their present form around the late 8th or early 7th century BC. A later written edition or editorial revision does not change the date of their composition.

Otherwise, by the same logic,