@GuntherEagleman Sentenced to 4 years??
She'll be out in less than 6 months.
The Bureau of Prisons doesn't care about sentencing.
They release whenever they want to.
"To know him best is to accept the mystery"???
I do not agree with that one bit.
To accept a "mystery" as the conclusion of your pursuit to know the Godhead and then to be critical of others who testify of more, legitimately makes me sad for you.
It's almost like because you don't know more about them no one else can??
Colossians 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
I'm not seeing the words "accept the mystery" anywhere in scripture when it comes to understanding God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost:
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 8:19
Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
John 14:7
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
They want us to know them, not a mystery of them.
God the Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost are separate and distinct. They are one in purpose, yes, just like all the disciples of Christ (Jehovah of the Old Testament) since Adam, are one in their worship of them.
You said that I "put them in a box" when that is the furthest thing from the truth there is in this discourse.
I am dressed and ready to sing in the choir praising the goodness of The Father, Son and Holy Ghost and you are telling me that the color of my robes disqualifies my worship of him.
That is your loss, not mine.
It won't stop me from singing their praises. It won't stop me from worshiping Jesus as my Lord and Savior and searching for more truth as the Holy Ghost can testify of.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
You, dear friend, are the one who has put himself in the box.
Side note: (for anyone else who might read this with an open mind)
Are these passages about Jesus looking at himself in a mirror or something? No, of course not.
1 Peter 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.
Luke 22:69
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:56
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
I challenge you to widen your vision and understanding of who God the Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost are.
John 17
1. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
As you say "every word He spoke was true" and I agree, but who wrote those words down?
Who then translated those words from their original tongue to what we read today?
Where are the actual first edition writings?
How do we receive confirmation of their truthfulness?
The answer is by way of the Holy Ghost.
John 16:7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."
I testify that The Book of Mormon is as much scripture as the Bible and the two stand as witnesses of the divinity of Christ.
Matthew 18:16
"But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."
Personal study, pondering and prayer are so essential when trying to get to know the nature of God and Jesus Christ regardless of what source lessons of him come from.
For example, our conversation is a source right now. Should our words be discarded because they are not included in the Bible?
A thousand years from now, could our back and forth not be read by someone intending to learn the nature of the Godhead?
If I bear witness that Jesus Christ is our Savior, does that have any less meaning than if someone else two thousand years ago said it too?
John 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
After doing our best to understand, and upon our sincerely asking in prayer to The Father in the name of Jesus, the Holy Ghost can confirm to us personally what is truth.
I have gone through this process many times which has transformed bits and pieces of my faith in the Godhead, to knowledge.
There are so many things to learn and experience and ask about, so why would you suppose that I would ever "confine Him to a box"?
@mattvanswol Temp agencies are some of the worst when it comes to forging docs for illegals.
When the law man comes around, the business owner gets to claim ignorance and the temp agency shuts down and starts another one up the next day.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
I have no idea about this supposed screw scam, but bad behavior isn't just from immigrants "coming to America just to scam hard working citizens".
There is so much fraud taking place right now, even among the corn fed Freds of America, and it keeps getting worse because no one is being held to account. We should call out any bad behavior before it ruins everything completely.
But, make for dang sure that if you are going to accuse someone of something you have the "receipts".
Get it?
See what I just did there?
But do you understand that it is you who are calling Christ insane?
No disrespect, but the notion that the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same distinct personage makes no sense scripturally.
To read the words of Christ in the New Testament under that context would make things very confusing.
I'm simply stating that the Godhead is comprised of 3 distinct personages that work in concert with one another. They are perfectly aligned in word and purpose and that they invite us to be a part of that alignment, as flawed as we are, if we but repent and trust in the Atonement of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who offered himself up as a sacrifice to overcome death and hell.
We need to look to Christ, repent of our sins and be baptized, keep his commandments and endure to the end.
All of that is hard enough as it is without making the Godhead itself out to be something that no one can understand.
Why would God do that to us?
Why provide scripture at all if it were to be so manipulated and open to interpretation that everyone just sits around arguing about what it means?
That leads me to prophets, but I'll save that for another time.
God bless you. And, though we have differing opinions on the Godhead, the point of it all is to follow the example of Jesus Christ and love God and our neighbor the best we can each day.
Why is it such a stretch to believe that God the Father, his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three distinct and separate individuals?
What you are saying makes no sense and portrays the Godhead out to be something that will only ever be up for individual interpretation/ manipulation.
Acts 17:23
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To the Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
Paul was teaching that Jesus Christ need not be unknown to us.
And Christ taught in John 5:
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
My faith is that God the Father is a distinct personage of perfected flesh and bone and that his son Jesus Christ (Jehovah of the Old Testament) is also a distinct personage of now perfected flesh and bone. That Christ was crucified for our sins and fulfilled the will of his Father and overcame death and hell that we might all return the the presence of the Father if we repent and follow the commandments he has given us.
If you look at the scriptures with this perspective, the purpose of them becomes clear to anyone willing to read and pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:65
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.