Hey Mocheeks, where did your family immigrate to the US from and when? I asked you this elsewhere and you never responded. And while you’re answering that, also answer which demographic is the primary purchaser of Black American music genres? How many Chicano rappers are there, vs how many Black Americans mariachi performers are there? And while you’re answering all these things, tell me where the lie is in any of the facts I’ve documented below:
“Describing the African-American influence on American music in all of its glory and variety is an intimidating—if not impossible—task. African-American influences are so fundamental to American music that there would be no American music without them”.
https://t.co/KeNSegXOyH
“Every speaker of American English borrows heavily from words invented by African Americans, whether they know it or not. “
“AAE (African American English) is an umbrella term used to describe the distinctive varieties of English spoken primarily by and among African American speakers. AAE, with its roots in African languages and creoles, has been a major influence on the development of English vocabulary, particularly in the 20th and 21st centuries, contributing full categories of words and phrases that have had a profound impact on the way that English is used in the United States and the rest of the world. “
https://t.co/HAVoyQqwLP
“Three of our five common patterns of lexical innovation appear to be primarily associated with African American English, showing the inordinate influence of African American English on Twitter.”
“African American English is the main source of lexical innovation on American Twitter.”
https://t.co/fimNvfNl4L
“It’s a sign of a strong linguistic culture, tradition, and community that linguistic innovations can be so widely distributed and end up having such an outsize impact on the standard language.”
https://t.co/28qMc5t2pI
“The cultural field from which Chicanos/Mexicans draw to develop language and identity is no longer limited to the Mexican/Chicano cultures of their parents. They borrow, adopt, and adapt the cultures of many peoples. Importantly, they look toward and interact with black American youth to form Hip Hop Nation Language (HHNL) and identities as hip-hop headz.”
Pancho McFarland, The Chicano Hip Hop Nation (he’s a sociologist and a scholar of Chicano culture)
@kp_overeast@SchamaNoel@Jeff12756867@kishswim The widely held consensus is also that there isn’t certainty, as what I’ve already presented states. As for ethnicity, when Africans and Caribbeans are Black first, before their various respective ethnicities, I will be to. Until then, I’m Black American Freedman first
You’re being dishonest. For a time, Black Americans outnumbered whites in South Carolina and Mississippi. Barely outnumbered. We never out numbered whites by the ratio Black Haitians outnumbered white colonists. What’s more, that’s not an apples/apples comparison. We’re one nation. Any Black Americans who rose up, the Federal government would summon counter opposition from every state, including the north. Even before US independence, Black Americans were also separated. Haitians not only outnumbered, but they were closer together. Our situations aren’t the same
@kp_overeast@SchamaNoel@Jeff12756867@kishswim “Likely” means they’re not certain, like I said. Every other Black ethnic group is their ethnic group first before just being Black. So why shouldn’t I be?
I’m not gonna call you names, I’m just gonna prove you wrong.
This Field Museum article you screenshotted was written by Bridgette Russell, Sr. Director of Marketing and Communications, Marketing for the museum. The article I’ve linked to quotes Courtney Pierre Joseph who is an actual historian at Lake Forest College and a specialist on DuSable. On the link I’ve shared he writes:
“He’s a very contested figure, and it is largely because we don’t have documentation about especially his early years of life.”
“DuSable was possibly born sometime around 1745 on the island of present day Haiti and the Dominican Republic.”
https://t.co/MjWtO4JusP
Note the, “possibly”. My comment didn’t claim Jean DuSable wasn’t born in Saint Dominique. I said there are no verified birth records confirming this and that is origins are assumed, but that is not agreed upon. Which is the truth.
The Encyclopedia Britannica lists him thusly: “Born: 1750?, St. Marc, Sainte-Domingue [now Haiti]?”, because of this uncertainty.
Historian John F. Swenson writes:
“Pointe de Sable was the son of parents still not identified, possibly born at Vaudreuil, near Montreal, before 1750.”
“Where Pointe de Sable was before 1775 has not been reliably documented.”
“A Haitian family named Des Sables… cannot be related to Chicago’s founder… despite the elaborate, undocumented assertions of a member of that family in a fanciful 1950 biography.”
https://t.co/5AofF6DV5I
@SchamaNoel@kp_overeast@Jeff12756867@kishswim There are no verified birth records of DuSable. His origin in Saint Dominique is assumed, not proven. But even if he was from Saint Dominique, who gives a damn. What one man who you don’t descend from did over two centuries ago gives you no claim on anything.
Wrong. The Haitian Revolution has nothing to do with Chicago. Jean DuSable, IF he was from Saint Dominique was one man. The whole island ain’t getting credit for what one man did. But there are no verified birth records for Du Sable prior to the 1770s, people ASSUME he’s from Saint Dominique, but that’s speculation. And the United States getting the Louisiana Territory was inevitable. Even without the Haitian Revolution that would have happened. Every European power ultimately lost their colonies to in the Western Hemisphere, so what makes you think France alone would have been able to hold onto Louisiana, especially when France wasn’t even able to keep a stable government until after WWII?
I have nothing against Haitians. In fact the Haitian Revolution is inspiring. But respect the Black American holiday the way you’d like Haitian Flag Day respected, and don’t use Haitian Independence as a flex against Black Americans while you live in the US benefiting from what Black Americans have done here. That is all. It’s about respect
@kp_overeast@Jeff12756867@kishswim I don’t tolerate insults either. A man saying that Juneteeth has nothing to do with either cultures, which is the truth, and you responding about Haiti’s war of independence makes no sense unless you intended it as an insult against Black Americans. I responded in kind.
@dandiealexander@KCDUBB2@TangieCarmouche@_Re_UPS@grok How many Black American adults are there? How many Black Americans are in prison for murder? What percentage of Black Americans adults are in prison for murder right now?