I agree with you that I don't think they need to remove them, but I know that if she's looking for another easy W removing other platform loaders from their showcase for games that are going to be on both Xbox and Playstation will give those die hard guys at least a small chance at some online respect they are so desperate for...
It's silly and doesn't change anything in reality, but it's a Goodwill gesture and it won't won't stop the games from being advertised after the show by the publishers and even Sony themselves.
I mean we saw this exact same scenario. Play out a few years back when Sony was showing several multiplatform releases but always made sure the final "end card" had only their console on it and sometimes PC but NEVER an Xbox logo.
I would hope everyone still remembers this picture that Xbox had right after the show to let those interested in these games. Become aware that they were too. Also available on Xbox.
@AvgNickk @JeseMartinez Oh and as far as what I bought then... it was around 40K...well a little less.
And right now after selling my current car and what I have saved I could easily get something in the 75K range completely bought and paid for on day 1.
Oh I feel you but I was mainly referring to getting loans to pay for a vehicle and the interest that they charge.
I financed one vehicle in my it was my second car at 19 and it was a terrible experience where not only did the ve just kind of suck and fall a just kind of suck and fall apart on me the interest rates weren't great as I was young and didn't know better.
Never late or had any problems paying it, but it really sucked having to put out so much for a giant SUV (Ford Expedition) at a time when gas prices were about as high then as they are today...but this was 20+ years back so gas at $3-$5 per gallon hurt ALOT more.
As I said the car was kind of a piece of crap and the market at the time had turned it's back on Giant SUV type vehicles thanks to the wars and gas prices people were looking for smaller economy type cars...
Show my value plummeted the vehicle was falling apart costing me tons of repairs and I should you not within the same month that I finally paid it off. It basically died on me complet and it would have cost me more money to fix it and it was literally worth at the time.
That was an incredibly terrible experience realizing the best thing for me to do with my just paid off vehicle was to send it to the junkyard and start all over.
After that I was done with financing vehicles and I only bought a car I could pay cash for...
I started going to auctions and looking for deals and very quickly I had some of the best vehicle experiences when doing so.
Being able to buy a car worth $10,000 for only $4,500 and "fixing" problems people thought could cost thousands for literally literally lunch money...felt good.
Being able to drive that car for years and years and then when you do sell it realize it was still worth more than you paid for it even after all this time and all those miles driven.
And knowing that during that whole time where I could have been paying a loan to someone else while they earn interest off me...
Instead I was putting the money that would have been a car payment into savings and watching it grow and earn interest paid TO me instead of BY me!
Again not a better feeling can be had...
I started doing that cycle for several vehicles in a row. Getting great deals on them at auction and making money off them after saving for years and years to pay in full for the next one.
After doing that for nearly 20 years I had finally got to the point where I didn't even have to buy some cheap car from auction and could actually go out and pay full price for a brand new car but still in cash and no financing required.
Now it's been 3 years and the money I would have paid to some bank for interest on my car loan instead went into savings again and I could easily now go out and buy a car that is nearly double the cost of my most recent (and brand new) vehicle.
That really makes me happy and while I don't have any immediate plan to go jump on something else (I mean current car is literally only 3 years old and has just 10,000miles on its odometer) knowing that when I am ready for something new it's basically already paid for feels amazing!
I've already bought a few 5090s since launch but as far as how many in total I would need to pay off my car?
That would be zero.
Because when I buy a car I buy it in cash...
Bought a brand new one in '23 with 15 miles on it and will drive it til I'm all saved up for something new.
I detest giving away my money...
It should give me returns not someone else.
With this type of product, the specs have to be locked down significantly ahead of actual production and there really isn't much room to change them without massive cost.
The delay will happen but the hardware is almost certainly not going to change. All they are doing is trying to ride out a bit of the storm so they can ramp up production at a more affordable cost and keep the systems priced from creeping too high.
But the specs....
They will remain the same.
If it really went on too long, they're more than likely to cancel it then to "upgrade" it.
Yep, that's pretty much where I'm at...
Anything more than that and they start to encroach on what I think Project Helix will end up and there needs to be a pretty significant gap between the two if I'm going to buy this and that.
Otherwise I just put what I would have put towards this on Helix and stick with just the one that's significantly more powerful.
Well let's see...
There was the 9700 pro and subsequently 9800 pro the only card to basically beat it for a time was its own successor.
I personally had the 9800 pro which is where I mostly remember them having the crown for "best GPU"
It was literally the GPU many of the tech demonstrations of Half-Life 2 were ran on.
Definitely this period of time is when I felt they were the most competitive with Nvidia. Even when they didn't beat them, they had something really close and typically a good deal cheaper in relative terms.
But doing a bit of research... They had it also with the HD 5870 for a while...
And even though it was only for a month or so they had it with the R9 290x.
But since then they have never at any point held the title of the best GPU on the market.
Again back then this title could bounce back and forth between Radeon and Nvidia even if Radeon's dominance only lasted a short while...
They still managed to keep that heat on Nvidia and the entire market benefited thanks to how close things tended to stay back then.
I had to sit down one day and really think about it because my recollection was full of a lot of gaps but I was able to piece it all together... Even had to go reference old receipts and pictures to remember exact models...
But man my list is long!
Luckily it's only been more recently where it's every single generation basically 😂
ATi All-in-Wonder 128 '99
ATi Radeon 9800 Pro AIW '03
ATi Radeon x300 '05
Nvidia 7800 GTX '06
Nvidia 8800 GTX 2x SLI '07
Radeon HD 5870 '10
Radeon HD 7970 '12
GTX 780 2x SLI '13
GTX 980 2x SLI '14
GTX 980ti 2x SLI '15
GTX 1080 2x SLI '16
GTX 1080ti 2x SLI '17
RTX 2080ti '18
RTX 3080 '20
RTX 3080ti '21
RTX 4090 '22
RTX 5090 '25
@MathieuChiasson@V_Missao@PeterP_1985 Yeah so many people are selling the Nvidia software stack so short as a value add...
For me over easily worth an extra 30%+ price over not having it.
It's no longer just about price tag and raster performance.
And AMD has to understand this!!
Exactly. I had Intel in my system for 25 years and I said the entire time I was not against AMD I simply wanted "the best" and that was Intel for so long.
Then Intel fumbled the bag hard and Ryzen took up the top spot (9800X3D) and so I switched... Simple as that.
I was called an Intel Fanboy for years but in no way was I ever, nor am I an Nvidia Fanboy.
I'm just a fanboy of myself and getting the best experience possible for me.
And I'll never sell myself short! 😂
Wrong. My GPU history shows I supported AMD/ATi for well over a dozen years. They were always my go-to option because they at the time always had a GPU that was either literally the max best available on the market (which they did several times during that period) or they were so close to nvidia's absolute best and still significantly cheaper that it was worth it to take them over Nvidia.
They simply haven't been doing that as of late.
They have not had the crown for absolute Best GPU in like more than 15 years...
They don't even try at the very top anymore...
And what they do offer in the tiers they actually still try to compete is usually not close enough and missing significant features in comparison with a savings that simply doesn't make up for that shortcoming.
I have said for years I would be glad to go back to them if they ever took the crown back. Hell if they could ever just compete at the very top and be 95% of everything Nvidia offers at like 85% the price I would probably still take them.
But they haven't done that in a long time and it's why my GPU history went from nearly all Radeon to exclusively Nvidia over the last 13 years.
My GPUs
ATi All-in-Wonder 128 '99
ATi Radeon 9800 Pro AIW '03
ATi Radeon x300 '05
Nvidia 7800 GTX '06
Nvidia 8800 GTX 2x SLI '07
Radeon HD 5870 '10
Radeon HD 7970 '12
GTX 780 2x SLI '13
GTX 980 2x SLI '14
GTX 980ti 2x SLI '15
GTX 1080 2x SLI '16
GTX 1080ti 2x SLI '17
RTX 2080ti '18
RTX 3080 '20
RTX 3080ti '21
RTX 4090 '22
RTX 5090 '25
@RGamerB_@PeterP_1985 It may have compromised version of it, but console will always simply be several steps behind what's possible on PC.
Maybe at some point that difference becomes unnoticeable.
But definitely not yet!
In motion it's more of a subconscious thing, but your brain does recognize it. At least mine does and I believe Peter's as well...
There's a grounding effect that is there where your brain almost believes you're looking at real life. You don't have to zoom in and focus on it. You just feel it.
I've done it multiple times a and b testing and no matter what I always end up preferring it on.
Something just feels "off" well when it's off 😂
@50PlusGamer1970@snoopdioogo@PeterP_1985 Trust me bro when you have the highest end hardware it's basically just turn on the game and go!!
The only ones who have to spend a huge amount of time tweaking are people with much lower end hardware trying to make it perform miracles beyond its real scope.
Developers want to move forward and see the rendering space grow... You don't.
And that's fine, but nothing says they need to cater to your particular artistic tastes when they have their own.
You can still turn it off if that's the experience that matters more to you than so be it.
@gkgftzb@PeterP_1985 Again it doesn't change anything on or off in terms of what he's actually trying to compare.
Which is the subtle difference in shadows and how they are so much more "grounded" with pass tracing on.
https://t.co/1i0kLPTe6n
Full CA and lens distortion turned on.
I don't think it changes what I was talking about regards Path Tracing at all.
As I say in OG post, the impact of Path Tracing as you play, is transformative.
Far more impactful than a static image though even on this static, very mundane shot, you can clearly see the difference in lighting
@gkgftzb@PeterP_1985 And he's already redone the comparison for others complaining about this irrelevant topic...
And guess what the difference is he's actually focused on are still completely there!