An Islamic streamer, Muhammad Saifulla, recently appeared on @liamtuffs1’s podcast where he claimed he would execute gays under Sharia Law in the UK.
Why aren’t any gay rights orgs calling it out?
Fear not Afghan women, grooming gang survivor, beheaded gay and married 9 year olds everywhere.
Islam is perfectly safe, according to Jane who learnt all about it from the safety of a book.
I’ve been reading this fascinating book that won the Yad Vashem International Book Prize for Holocaust Research
It looks at what nazis thought using their own sources to scrutinise their ideology
I’m a third of the way through it, and there’s already so much information that helps explain how they did so much evil. For example, they believed that a ‘true’ German didn’t really need the law (which they thought of as a Jewish malady anyway) to guide their morality. They thought a true German would somehow have innate instincts about what was right and wrong and those instincts were therefore infallible.
So in the end, those who fit what they thought of as a true German could have justified anything to themselves and others. And we all know how far that went.
Then they also didn’t see people (even their ‘own’ people) as distinct individuals who happened to be part of a whole. The whole was everything and all. The only goal being a “pure” race who would perpetuate forever. You can see how quickly ideas like that could snowball. And how that mindset would lead to murder in the hands of the kind of people who would commit to it.
Individual rights were totally eroded for the “survival” of the race…and thus individuals were dispensable to that goal. I think that without individual rights you can’t really have individual protections. Or even the concept of such.
There’s a lot here, and the writing is quite dense, but it’s very informative. Even the things I already knew are better explained. And it’s often a good insight into a certain type of predator too…like reading how a shark might think about the little fishes.
…Do you know what though?
Nothing in here so far reminds me of the women fighting trans ideology on twitter. So it’s extra fascinating to be reading it just as we are all being called far right (again). And this time (again) by some who say they are feminists.
The lessons from Nazi Germany are crucial. But those who insist on misusing those lessons to whack women on the fingers, like a Victorian teacher with a ruler, are doing nothing to learn anything.
I think it’s just a power play for them. They can use these accusations to diminish and control women, to alienate them from each other, to mark them, and to silence frank discussions.
This silencing of frank discussions is especially important because the kind of niche activist doing this doesn’t want you to think for yourself when they can think for you instead. They want you to sit at their feet and nod along. Not just on one issue, but on all issues that matter to them. If you are high enough up the pecking order you might get to sit beside them mouthing the words along with them. But the desire is the same; for you to be a mirror and for you to show them their reflection.
Anything else seems to read as a threat to them. So you can be good, kind, interesting, funny, clever, the whole shebang, and still worthless to them if you step out of line even a little.
Alienating people from discussion at every turn is not the strategy of altruists or leaders.
The irresponsible high drama of calling people far right at the drop of a hat is much more about keeping control of the in group than about making the world a better place.
I can’t help but think it’s a very pro far right behaviour, too, given that it will help them blend into the wider crowd.
Much harder to find the real far right if you’ve put then in a ballroom with a bunch of Mumsnetters, determined women, grooming gang rape victims and ordinary people dissatisfied with the current state of the world and are insisting these people and the far right are the same
& as to the endless guilt by association… they won’t believe we aren’t far right, even if we say it five times fast on Sundays & twice after pudding. Because we aren’t perfectly reflecting them anymore we can only be bad 🤷♀️
Meanwhile, even as they rage, women& children still need protection from the violence of men of all politics
I think the discomfort is less to do with the antiwoke movement and more to do with how you fear being perceived because of the people who happen to agree with you on this one issue.
Many of us don’t have the luxury of caring how others perceive us.
As I’ve already explained, many of the GCs you dismiss as far right are working class who have watched their neighbourhoods and communities change beyond recognition. There are parts of London that make me think Ireland is the most salvageable country on earth.
These people don’t have another ten years to waste waiting for Labour or the Greens to get their shit together and call a spade a spade.
So when Reform or the Conservatives come along and start addressing concerns that the left has spent years either dismissing or demonising people for raising, of course you’re going to find those with otherwise liberal views supporting them.
What exactly did you expect?
You claim to understand women’s struggles regardless of who they are, where they’re from or which God they believe in, yet so much of what I see from you is contempt for women who don’t share your political allegiances.
You cannot claim to understand people while refusing to understand the circumstances that have shaped their politics.
And that’s exactly where I think you’ve failed.
In Ireland, we’ve had gay men murdered in recent years in attacks involving men who came here from outside Europe. I’ve been contacted by gay men who say they’ve been attacked, chased and harassed by newcomers.
Do you seriously think these gays have the luxury of waiting for the left to stop calling them bigots for raising concerns and start taking their experiences seriously?
Do you think the working class women who feel their communities have become less safe are concerned about whether their opinions might upset somebody at a feminist conference?
It is an extraordinarily privileged position to sit comfortably above all of this, deciding which political concerns are respectable and which people deserve to be cast out of the movement.
As with gender ideology, the consequences of migration policy are not distributed equally. Working class communities experience the changes most directly, while the people lecturing them about tolerance and writing essays are insulated from those consequences.
And the irony is that people like you have spent so long throwing the label far right at anyone who refuses to toe your political line that you’ve helped make the term practically meaningless.
Which is a whole other can of worms.
You don’t have to agree with these people. You don’t have to vote the way they vote, but if your entire understanding of their politics begins and ends with the assumption that they’re ignorant, hateful or morally defective, you haven’t understood them at all.
You’ve just found a convenient excuse not to listen.
The infighting ultimately stems from the GCs comfort with the antiwoke, populist and far right and their politics, left wing women's resistance to it, and the hostility to left wing women.
What happened at FiLiA was a culmination of the GCs attacks on the left of the movement.
@LucienBright3@ThePosieParker Yeah, the intuition of a schizophrenic.
If you demonise and smear someone for years, make it clear they’re not welcome at the essay writing tea party, don’t be shocked they end up somewhere they are listened to.
@LucienBright3@ThePosieParker Like I mean for gods sake. Yous made it very clear she, and her supporters, were not welcome at the elitist feminist club, and now you’re mad that she’s gone somewhere that actually offers her a platform instead of demonising.
Get a massive grip and grow up.
They’ve been calling @ThePosieParker far right long before she’d anything to do with him 😂
Literally drove her over there, dropped her off, and complained she’s there.
You’re all demented.
As I said in the post, you call everyone far right, including ordinary people, the smear loses all meaning.