Ethan

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My opinions are my own

[Ethan @TheEthanExpress]

@marcado_razon @OrthoGrievous @sacredchad_ig You can cope post all you want I'm not believing we worship the same God as the Muslims

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@Nicholai_Korea God giving us sin makes no sense, sin can't be imputed it has no ontology. And even if it could be true why would God impute sin? He can just not do that.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Yeah I probably could've worded that better, but it settled who Jesus is and what he did for us. Refuting the Arian heresy.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 The reason I'm arguing against this is because I've seen people misconstrue it to be the literal Word of God and end up worshiping the Bible, so its not a good idea to describe Scripture as the word of God. Because the Word of God is a name of the second person of the trinity.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Because they denied the message of the Gospel as established in Nicaea 1. Once the Bishops came together and declared Arianism to be heresy, nearly all Churches went back to being Orthodox. If Arianism was true, they wouldn't care about the decision of some old men.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 ok and what's wrong with that? if you can agree an earthly authority exists would it have to be equally as authoritative as a heavenly/divine authority? If theirs tiers of authority between created and uncreated, there can be tiers within the created too no?

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Else you could use it like the Arians did to deny the divinity of Christ

[Ethan @TheEthanExpress]

@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Scripture is divinely inspired but is not Authoritative without the correct interpretation.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 The Apostles still have an elevated status being direct disciples and witnesses to Christ. Especially with the 4 Gospels that contain the words of the Lord.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Meaning Jesus gave the Authority to the Apostles to teach, and they handed down that authority in the Church being the first Bishops of the Church.

[Ethan @TheEthanExpress]

@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Jesus and the Apostles giving authoritative teachings on the scriptures, which were not called the Word of God btw, means that they had the authority over the people who held the see of Moses to teach.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 No its not problematic, The Bible is a created thing, Not the Word of God. Divinely inspired and true yes, but only under the correct interpretation. The Church, however, is the Lord's Body, started by him, for us, for salvation. To guide us into all truth. That gave us the bible

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 faith during those times was the passed down By the Apostles to the Bishops that led the Church. So if you're really able to argue for your position, it should be possible without the Bible. But its not since it hinges on being able to interpret things for yourself.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 You don't know what brought me to the church. And secondly, I'm arguing the inconsistency of your position, which is strictly modern. The idea that you can come up with your own faith based on the Bible has no roots since Christianity came before the Bible. The authority of

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 What does the church fathers using presup arguments or not have to do with the question of how you know the canon?

[Ethan @TheEthanExpress]

@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 How are you gonna argue with something you don't know is true. You must've never run into a presuppositional argument before. This issue has to be dealt with otherwise it's just gonna be us arguing our interpretations past each other.

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@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 "Rhetoric Trick" yeah you have no idea what you're talking about. You can't account for Scripture without asserting it. How are you going to assert what is apostolic when you have no lineage to them. The Bible wasn't canonized until hundreds of years after the apostles.

[Ethan @TheEthanExpress]

@patristicpill Some of the stuff he posts can be funny but he's taking it way too far and needs to stop lurking on reddit.

[Ethan @TheEthanExpress]

@thomas_roysdad @AmerRef1517 Yeah that's an appeal to commonality which is a fallacy. Just because most if not all canons have the books doesn't mean they're true. You say I only have rhetoric but your beliefs are built on fallacies.