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[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@SoWhatAaaand Protestants reading the Bible and realising who gave them the Bible.

(The Catholic Church)

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

I'm not American not sure if you knew that, so I'm not particularly that invested within the subject when it comes to American law I have no power to make a difference so I'm not that invested.

I'll do the research if you watch Trent Horns video on the subject. Many catholic groups sometimes will oppose, and I'm not saying this is what happened as like I said not that invested in American laws as I have no power to influence it, many catholics will oppose bills/laws that have no chance of passing in order to make incremental steps towards outlawing the injustice all together.

But like I said I'm not expert on state by state catholic groups because I'm a UK citizen. And I'll hold my hands up say I disagree with them if they are just flat out opposing the criminal sentencing of the women for the sake of it.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@JSchuncke28308 @MrWhiteAF An attack against the Church is, in a very real sense, an attack against her members.

Catholics aren't merely people who happen to agree with Roman Catholicism.

We are members of one body, the Church. As St Paul says, “If one member suffers, all suffer together.”

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

I think your conflating 2 different questions here.
Moral culpabality and criminal liability.

Like I mentioned previously 58 focuses on the grave injustice of which abortion is. And 59 focuses on moral responsibility of those involved in the act. It recognises if a women is experiencing severe pressure to abort the child that the responsibility does not also fall on herself but those around whom have advocated for the abortion.

Neither paragraph 58 or 59 lays out any framework on how to prescribe a criminal sentence nor guidelines to which the sentence should be imposed.

The Church does teach that civil law should protect unborn human life, but I can't speak for every Catholic group or individual Catholic and their preferred legal framework.

Personally, I support equal protection under the law for unborn children, including appropriate criminal penalties for those culpably involved in intentionally procuring an abortion. The precise charge and penalty would still have to account for individual culpability and the circumstances of the case, as criminal law ordinarily does.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

§58 specifically concerns procured abortion. John Paul II defines it as the deliberate and direct killing of a human being between conception and birth, and argues that society has increasingly lost sight of its moral gravity.

§59 concerns responsibility for abortion, discussing the responsibility of the mother, father, family, friends, doctors, legislators and others who may facilitate or encourage it.

Neither paragraph appears to establish the claim you've made. I'm not personally aware of what you mean by "EP" here, so if you could clarify that and provide the Catholic groups you're referring to, I'd be happy to respond further.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@RoundheadZoomer @MrWhiteAF I'm not an American. However this is not a sophistic argument, it's simply I don't think it's right to have blatant contempt for Catholics when we support the same cause.

Trent Horn did a really good video on this guy I'd implore you to watch it.

[Bryan Kemper 🇺🇸 @BryanKemper]

Liberal logic

[MakeCathedrals @MakeCathedrals]

@cfdownes_ It's the Schrodinger Baby :

Both a baby and not-a-baby until the mother decides how she feels about it.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@RGuillimanXIII @Catholic_bro Because it's a stupid question out of malice and not good will.

[Ojike Uzoma @Xtopher_Uzo]

"When you die, are you going to heaven?"

Catholics: "I cannot say with certainty that I am going to heaven. I pray that, by God’s grace, I will persevere in His will, remain in sanctifying grace, and receive His mercy at the end of my life."

Protestant: "Yes. I’m definitely going to heaven."

And people still ask why Catholics talk about salvation differently?

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@OmegaExalted @BryanKemper Nah I really do care about the unborn, it's ironic talking about hurting people when you want to hurt children all in the name of 'choice'. Fuck you and your fake morals.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@OmegaExalted @BryanKemper So it's better to kill them in the womb without even giving them the chance to live and experience life?

You are sick.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@notheidiagain @BryanKemper You are deranged, have a nice night. God bless.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@notheidiagain @BryanKemper Stop paying for the checkmark you have nothing of substance to say.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@notheidiagain @BryanKemper I don't even know how to respond to this as I don't even know what it means.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@notheidiagain @BryanKemper Your a very graphic and angry individual. Take a deep breath. Nah I'm just gonna oppose abortion until it the human child gets equal protection under our murder laws.

[The Fading West 🇻🇦 @TheFadingWest]

@notheidiagain @BryanKemper Not your body not your choice, there is a body inside of yours. Why does it matter where the location of the child is?