@45mice While I agree in principal. Are we not going to talk about the giraffe in the room that turns it right back around? focus blast one shots through max hp gambit 68% of time. Y is a gimmick but a very usable one in theory atm
@TheCommon_Chris@Xerokai5@SerebiiNet It's a fair concern, particularly since that's not quite true (the X/Y starters and floettes stones can only be gotten by having legends ZA)
@TrueBurna I encoured someone into it and honestly I missed the days where it couldn't fail, suddenly had to play around a fail chance that didn't come.
@katatatat__@TrueBurna Obviously match up dependant but if I'm using fake out on that slot your other Mon isn't worth it, and I break a potential sash on anything coming in, or set back your tempo if it is flip turn.
@hnybdgrplato@no_dupes In good faith, the op is being sarcastic since Arsal didn't bring it to any of the games in finals. But the point by people who believe this is that EF floette is only available in champions if you buy ZA and is a solid part of the current meta unavailable to those who haven't.
@Kikoloki@B1uududsRap1st And on that we do agree. I wouldn't have minded if this change had been built up. I don't say this felt OOC as in this could never happen. Just did not feel like the same character we saw in season 7 with only dialogue of "eh he's changed off screen" and that was just eh to me
@Kikoloki@B1uududsRap1st A drastic change for a character who's sole motivation up to this point was to be left alone and escap, to suddenly wanting to hang out, even in a dynamic where they have all the power is pretty drastic and kinda needs more than one line in the episode to make it feel natural.
@bogusbilly69@SurgeVGC This is wild to me because the first thing I did was slap an herb on my oranguru. Every time I see taunt it becomes the most free win
@VexJayC@SurgeVGC Fair, I've been using max bulk oranguru as my setter since it lives most things unless they double and has fake out immunity, so mental herb has covered my main gap
@DistantCoder You just play around it, flinches? Run better speed control or mons with immunity, crits? Cal your EVs to account for it. Yes there's rng as with most card games, you just build to reduce it as much as possible
@RyukTheDarkrai No fault at all really. And it makes sense how we're both viewings the Mon. I can 100% see why fros wrecks the chandelier in singles. And I don't want to act like it's incredible in doubles, I just went in on it with trick room early and am too stubborn to change
@RyukTheDarkrai Oh I assumed we were talking doubles my bad. Bar hitting random on showdown while waiting for paperwork to finish I've never touched singles
@RyukTheDarkrai@DracovishGlazer Maybe I'm crazy, but who's running 0 defensive IVs on chandelure? It's speed is only okay, really not worth investing in for that exact reason